Ep37 Magic, Manifestation, and the Law of Attraction

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Hello, hello, everybody. Nice to talk to you again.

I know. So I, I recorded a podcast not that long ago, but it had been about three weeks since I recorded one. For good reasons I have been, I wrote a chapter of a book that is being published, I had a writing deadline, and fortunately met it. And I'll have more details about that, as the book nears publication, but it's a book about relationships. And I wrote a chapter about sacred relationships and how to deepen your relationship spiritually. So that's coming up. I've also been doing for some, some reason, I'll maybe talk about that a little bit today. I've been doing a lot of radio and podcast guest appearances. I have another one coming up tomorrow, I had several last week, I've got another one on Friday. So you know, it's fun, it's nice. I love to spread the word about the things I love to talk about, namely, spirit and shamanism and all kinds of stuff. So today is Well, I'll tell you this, it is very early, this is earlier than I usually record these, but I woke up earlier this morning. And I decided to do a little reading, perusing, you know, perusing the web as it were, and reading some things and, you know, I like to know, my mind goes in different places very early in the morning and very late at night. And so like, you know, and I am, though I teach shamanism and I talk a lot about spirituality. I'm a very scientifically minded person, I actually have I have a master's degree in a scientific field. You know, and I spent decades working in computer science, I realized anything, usually anything with the word sciences, and it is an art and not a science. And that's a little bit what computer science is, but you know, it, it informs my thinking, you know, the way that I solve problems and the way that I think algorithmically, they beat that stuff into you. So I got up and I started reading today. And there was an article in sort of a, you know, popular scientific website where they put out a lot of stuff about you know, new, new thinking around things, and new, you know, really big movements in science and that sort of thing. So this article came up for me this morning, and I think it's fortuitous because I just have been talking about things like magic and manifestation and law of attraction. And in fact, that's what I'm going to be talking about today. I'll call this podcast, magic manifestation and the law of attraction. And so anyway, this article came up, and I always pay attention to synchronicities when things come up better a theme or a rhyme with something I'm already looking at or doing. And this article says, is human consciousness creating reality? Interesting idea, scientifically. Not so new in the spiritual realm. And so this is an article about an article in how they write popular articles about science articles for for us lay people to understand although I very frequently will go and download, you know, science articles that I read, read popular articles about because sometimes they are misrepresented, but this is basically A paper about a paper that was put out by a bunch of authors, including a man named Robert Lanza, who is an expert in stem cells and regenerative medicine. And he, I don't know if he created or popularized the theory of biocentrism that says that consciousness is the driving force for the existence of the whole universe, particularly well, in his perspective, biological consciousness. Um, you know, this is where I might differ a little bit biological consciousness is I think biology is a receiver of consciousness more than a creator of consciousness, but we can argue there. So anyway,

the the argument is that, you know, the universe kind of exists as a field of quantum probability is there's all of the, you know, quantum foam underneath everything. And that by observing or you know, observing things, by having things come up in our consciousness, we collapse the probabilities. Right? So there's the whole Schrodinger his cat thought experiment, which isn't quite what people think it is, it was actually a way that Schrodinger was making fun of, of, of quantum, you know, some quantum ideas of, you know, super, what we call superpositions, things can be a thing and not a thing at the same time. And Schrdinger's cat, you have a cat in the box, and there is some device in the box that is, you know, 5050, whether it poisons the cat, you know, releases poison gas into the box and kills the cat. And until you open the box up, and observe the cat, the cat is 50% alive and 50% dead, but when you observe the cat, the cat, you know, the, the reality collapses, the probability collapses, and your cat is definitely alive, hopefully, um, you know, and, and that, that's kind of the idea that we observe, or our consciousness solidifies reality out of all of these probabilities. My problem with Schrodinger cat is it assumes the cat isn't conscious. And, you know, this is a very human centric as is this article, very human centric, that it's human consciousness that is creating the universe. And I can tell you, I can tell you that, you know, no matter how you feel about animals, whether you eat them, or wear them or a vegan, or what have you, the animals are indeed conscious. So our plants and trees and rivers and rocks, it's consciousness on a very different level, than we might experience it, but it is indeed consciousness. And I think my experience has that the entire universe is a field of consciousness. So it's very haughty, it's very human centric to say that, Oh, it's, you know, it's human consciousness that's creating the universe. I think consciousness Yes. Is human consciousness, all of it? Certainly not. If a tree falls in the woods, and nobody's around to hear it, does it truly make a sound? Well, you know, are there birds in the forest and ants and aardvarks or whatever, you know, all of these things. So. But, you know, the important point here is that these are scientifically minded people putting forth a theory and I, you know, I don't know how they might prove that scientifically, but there are some very smart people out there designing cool experiments. And, you know, maybe someday we'll, you know, we'll see that that, you know, be able to have some more scientific proof that this is the case, it's, it's, you know, it's a theory, it's hypothesis. I realized those two things are different. But, you know, it's an idea that, you know, that jives with a lot of spiritual belief. Right, going back to the beginning of time, the beginning of human evolution and consciousness and religiosity for lack of a better term spirituality. When everybody was shamanic, no. Sounds interesting to me that everybody was practicing shamanism. before, before we had anything else. Um, so let's talk about this a little bit. And so I have this, I have a couple of working theories myself. And one of those theories is that the deeper you go into anything, the more spiritual it becomes the fine. Pardon me. As you may know, if you listen to these, I don't edit them. So you'll get my little early morning. voice cracks and stuff. I'm just a sip of coffee here.

A little warm liquid anyway. So the deeper you go into anything, the more spiritual becomes this includes absolutely anything in that. And I think that includes physics. I think physics is very mechanical, right. And I can tell you that, you know, Isaac Newton himself thought that the mechanical nature of the universe was proof of God's great design, yes, he was coming from a Christian perspective. But we should note that Isaac Newton, at least 10 to 15% of his journals were about experiments and alchemy. So he was interested in how the universe worked, and saw that, you know, this universe is very orderly, and that a lot of it was proof that of Intelligent Design. You know, fast forward to, you know, quantum physics and that sort of thing. And we get into really spooky things like quantum entanglement where two particles can affect each other, over great physical distances with no known connection between them. Right, we've sent we've essentially teleported information in the lab, through, you know, we've sent information from one place to another through quantum tunneling, without passing any of the space in between. You know, and we're just starting, we're, we are pre infants, we're basically in the fetal stage of, of figuring this stuff out and learning about it from a scientific perspective. But lots of you know, lots of the people who worked on things like the nuclear bomb and, and back in the day, and stuff like that we're sort of started to, you know, think in more spiritual terms, you know, still putting things in, in terms of physics, but stuff just becomes more about consciousness and the way that the Universe works, and the way that consciousness affects the universe, so consciousness affects the universe. We know this, we know that observation can change physical reality. If you are unfamiliar, there's something called the double slit experiment that shows if we, you know, pass light through a pair of slits in a piece of cardboard or something, we can cause that light to behave as waves or particles, depending upon how we observe it. How does light know that we're observing it? You know, how does it know? So consciousness or measurement in scientific terms, affects physical reality in ways that we can experiment with and use and not really explained at this point. Someday, perhaps. So let's talk a little bit about magic. I've given my working definition of magic before, but I will give it again, I always like to define my terms, just so you know what I'm talking about, not because my terms are better than anybody else's. But if I use a word in a way that's different, you know, it might cause some misunderstanding, and a lot of the ways that I think about things and use them or maybe not so common. So, magic. So you know, there have been lots of definitions of magic. I'm not talking about stage magic, though. I love stage magic. I love to watch stage magic, magic, beautiful performances. There's lots of new stuff being done. I grew up on David Copperfield and Doug Henning and Penn and Teller, um, but magic, real magic, the stuff you know, we might think of it as witchcraft, or wizardry or sorcery or all of these things, from a sort of non fictional perspective.

And I'll you know, paraphrase Alistair Crowley a little bit who was an I will say, an infamous magician, by all accounts, not a very nice guy but wrote some very seminal text that are still being used today to study occultism. And that his, you know, his wave of thinking called Thelema still exists, there are still people who practice it. So anyway, he, he said that magic is causing change in accordance with will. And, you know, I think that is a good, I think it's a good start. I think it's too broad. It's too inclusive, maybe because I can, you know, I can ask someone to pass me the salt, and they do. And is that a magical act? Maybe not? We probably wouldn't consider that magic. Maybe you do? Maybe. But I wouldn't, I would consider that a very ordinary act. Unless that unless the, you know, I was asking a god or goddess, for example, to pass the salt. And that worked. So I'm going to, you know, I'm going to change it up a little bit my definition is using non ordinary non physical means to influence reality. Influence, right. So in physics, in quantum physics, are talking about these fields of probability. And I think the things that we do that could be considered magic are working on influencing probabilities. Right? We can we can push probability around, you know, can I, you know, hold up my hand and do some magic and have a gold coin appear in my hand. Um, you know, that is a very improbable Act, is very improbable that that would occur. However, it's not impossible. According to physics, through quantum tunneling, there is a very small, infinitesimally small, but nonzero chance that that might occur. And, you know, maybe there are magicians who are powerful enough to do that I have not witnessed that particular thing, although I have seen some things that defy reality, you know, changed, changed my view on how reality works. But that's, you know, it's, it's much harder to influence things that are probabilistically very impossible. So or not very possible, I should say, not impossible. So, for example, let's talk about a little bit about law of attraction, which people know is a, you know, popular method of, you know, popular description of some Olds thinking that, you know, you can about this very thing that you can affect reality based on your thinking and your feeling. And this is all, you know, there's a truth to that, and I do like the pot, you know, the secret and all of that stuff. But I do think that that led people to sitting around and wishing real hard, and then wondering why the law of attraction wasn't working for them. And I boil it down in a nutshell for you, right here in this podcast. So hang on, I'm going to teach you how to get the law of attraction to work for you, or work better for you anyway. So you know, really, you know, if the law of attraction if manifestation, and magic all work, they're all things they exist. How come I can't sit on my couch and think real hard and win the lottery. Right. So first of all, I don't play the lottery. I don't, I don't buy lottery tickets. So that would make that next to impossible. Very, very improbable. But let's take take something like the Powerball which is if you don't know the Powerball is a huge multi state lottery here in the United States they've had jackpot some of their biggest jackpots are like half a billion dollars can't even imagine. So your odds of winning Powerball are like one in 300 and something million to win the jackpot that is a lot in and it's chosen by you know, having these physical balls that roll you know, that roll out of the machine that are picked very much physically at random.

So beyond the sheer odds of not winning, there is the you know, the the physical randomness, the chaos in the system, and trying to influence that by thought alone is challenging, it's far easier to influence things that are more probable, right? Like you might manifest finding a new job, you know, that sort of thing. So, let me talk about if you've tried law of attraction and manifestation, and it hasn't really worked for you. Um, let me explain a little bit why that might be and how you might have better results and things you want to manifest. And I will say that I don't like, ultimately, I think anything is possible in an infinite and expanding universe. Just probabilistically anything is literally possible. Probable is another story, right? So, you know, this is not to say you have to try to manifest easy things, but I have, I've worked in ways where you start with small things, and you manifest larger and larger and larger things, and I have experimented with that successfully in my life. And someday I will talk about that in, in a, in a podcast episode, not this one. But it's kind of a long story. Um, but you know, let's say I want to manifest a new job, I'm, you know, I'm out there looking for work, and I want to want to find a new job, you're going to increase your chances of something, if you get into congruence. And congruence or alignment means that all of your systems, or at least most of them, are working together. So let's say that I do want to find a new job. And I, you know, I want to manifest a new job. But I don't put my resume out there. And I don't go any job interviews. Well, that's not very congruent behavior, and my heart might be in the right place. But the chances of a job falling in my lap like that are very, very slim, I'm, I'm decreasing the probability that that's going to happen. Excuse me, if I want to manifest that I lose weight. But I eat two whole pizzas every day for lunch. That's going to be very challenging. I'm going to be moving out of congregants and alignment. So you know, the idea that you don't have to do anything physical, and you can manifest your dreams is nice, that will be nice if things work that way. And sometimes they do. But you're decreasing your odds. You want the odds to be in your favor, when you want to manifest something. So if you want to manifest, you know, the love of your life, you may have to get out there and meet people, you lock yourself in a closet, and never go out. Maybe people will send the firemen in to break down your door and one of them will be the love of your life. I don't know. But the chances of that happening, decrease. So you can so you know, magic manifestation Law of Attraction is all about dealing with probabilities, it's all about increasing probabilities until things happen for you. And, you know, there there does seem to be a skillet it to where some people can just step into the flow of the universe because they get they get what they want almost at a thought almost had an intention. Sometimes this takes practice because we have all kinds of stuff going on in our thoughts, we have unconscious thoughts, which is actually the majority of our thoughts, we have fears we have all kinds of things. So if you think about a human being, think about yourself as a as a system of systems, we have a body which is itself a system of systems because it has circulatory, nervous, digestive, reproductive, all of these different systems, endocrine system that work together, we have a mental system which has many, many parts.

We have spiritual systems, which have many, many parts. And if you know if I were driving down the road in my car and I'm trying to drive straight but I turn the wheel to the right So my two tires are facing to the two front tires are facing to the right, I am not going to go straight. So if I think really hard that I want to lose some weight, I want to drop some body fat. You know, that is my mental system. And I might even have some emotion behind that. You know, I might even get into spiritual alignment with that. But if I eat a couple of pizzas every day, I'm probably not going to lose weight, because a good portion of my system, in fact, the system I'm trying to influence, which is my body is out of alignment with that. Okay, if I buy if I pay for a gym membership, but I never go to the gym, I'm not going to get into shape. And I might do all the magic in the world, but it's far easier for me just to show up to the gym. That being said, if I want to lose weight, and we know that most people fail most diets, they'll succeed for a while, and they'll fail, they'll put all the weight on plus, plus more. And, you know, a big part of that is they're not bringing their mind and emotions along for the ride. So they're influencing physical reality. So again, like success in any endeavor, is much easier when you get get into alignment. When you take divine inspired physical action, it helps things in the physical realm. So if you're trying to affect physical reality, the easiest way to do that is by in physical reality in the plane, in the plane of existence where things are. That being said, you know, the spiritual plane, the astral plane, the mental plane, the causal plane, all interact, they all interact with the physical, and they all interact with each other. And so you can apply influences there. This is why we light birthday candles, make a wish and blow them out. Right, this is a wish, it's it's an act of magic, whether you think it is or not. This is why we throw a coin in a wishing well. And that is sort of about making offerings. It's really making offerings to like, you know, if it's, if it's a natural well, especially, it's about making offer offerings to water spirits. You know, but so you know, that you can affect physical reality through thought through emotion through spiritual means. But it's going to be easier if you do some physical work as well if you get into if you get into action. And I realized this runs counter to what a lot of people want to happen. And notice, I said, it gets easier. I didn't say it becomes possible. Because I do think that there have been times in my life where I have been able to create circumstances that I didn't do anything for physically. But I did a lot of spiritual work. So I'm not dissuading you from doing that kind of thing. But if you're finding, you know, you need to treat this stuff as an experiment. And most magicians, if you read the works of like, people doing alchemy and magic and stuff, most solo magicians from Renaissance back. were experimenting with stuff. Let me try this, see if it works. Let me try that, see if it works. So if you're not getting the results you want, you need to change your methods. And I'm trying to give you some pointers here. But the better you can get yourself into alignment and congruence, the more likely, the more probable your outcomes are going to be what you desire.

So, you know, you got you got to put it out there. So you know, I do this, I do this podcast, for example. This is a labor of love. I just like a lot. I like talking like I'm talking about things that I'm really interested in. But it is also a way for me to reach out to the world and get more people to know me. And you know, it's it's a bit of a marketing tool. I'm not going to be too shy about that, although I don't use it strictly as that and I don't really, I don't push don't push anything, I hope. I hope it doesn't come across that I'm pushing anything here because I don't want to I don't want it to be like that right but you know, I'm putting my And my effort out there into the world. And through this podcast through other means I, you know, write a blog, I have a YouTube channel, all kinds of stuff. So, you know, this is stuff, you know, this is stuff that I do that enhances my, my business, I'm putting energy out into the world, I'm doing physical things I'm, you know, getting my mind and spirit into alignment. And so lots of opportunities opened up for me, not just because of this podcast, but in parts, I get opportunities to speak in the radio, I get opportunities to guess on other people's podcasts, more people hear about me, more people contact me for for different reasons. You know, I get opportunities to contribute to books and write articles and do all kinds of stuff. Because there's some alignment there. With what I'm doing spiritually, I'm also putting effort out into the effort out into the world. So, you know, anything we do to influence the world around us through non ordinary means, and this is where is where I think magic differs than from other things, because I can influence like, if I go buy a lottery ticket, I'm influencing my chances of winning the lottery not buy a whole lot, well actually buy a whole lot because my chances were practically zero before but I'm increasing my chance from like, practically zero to one and 300 million, which is close enough to zero that I don't make an effort there. But um, you know, going and buying a lottery ticket isn't an act of magic. But if I were to do some ritual around there in attempt to influence, you know, bring those odds, align 300 million points of data to match my exact ticket and when that would be an act of magic. So any non physical, non ordinary things you do. So, you know, a lot of people might differ with my definition. But I think things like prayer are acts of magic, I think blowing up birthday candles or, or throwing a quarter in a wishing well, or I think shamanism is definitely magic, witchcraft, Reiki, all of these things are magical acts. They're meant to use non ordinary non physical means to influence reality, to bring health to bring whatever, you know, part of the reason people might not see it that way is that there's been 1000s of years of anti magic propaganda out there, like you don't do magic, because you are that's from the devil. Oh, but here, make an offering and light a candle and pray so that your loved one can recover in the hospital. But that's not magic. But, you know, we can differ but I will beg to differ at that point. You know, if you're, if you're praying for certain results, or you're praying even just for enlightenment, that's, that's a form of reality. So So in my definition, the use of non physical non ordinary means to influence reality, I didn't just say physical reality. So things we do to influence our mental reality and our spiritual reality and the different realities that we shamanic practitioners tend to, you know, visit other realms of reality. Those are acts of magic as well.

Hmm. So I didn't, you know, I'm not just saying physical reality. So there are lots of things we can do. There's dream work, right? We can influence dreaming reality. There is, you know, stuff we can do. We can wear, you know, talismans to help us increase our mental ability to pass a test or, you know, do some, you know, do some work or we can have something to increase our luck. And in many spiritual systems, luck is a an energy, it's a force. It's part of our energy anatomy. There's let's talk about luck. I'll do another podcast about luck. That'll be fun. Maybe I'll do that around. St. Patrick's Day. honor my Irish heritage looks a big deal and In my, you know, my Norse ancestors, my, you know, my Viking ancestors. There's, you know, there's an energy anatomy there that lock, there's something called the hummingbird, which is like this energy backpack that carries around your luck. Yeah, I'll do a whole podcast about that at some point. Talk about luck. That'll be fun. So but, you know, I wanted to talk about, you know, magic manifestation law of attraction, law of attraction. There is, you know, there's something to be said, there's a lot to be said for it in the kind of fake it till you make it. Attitude, right. So, act as if the thing you want is already present. Right. So if I want to manifest a new job, I meditate, I pretend I pretend like that job is already present, I imagine what it's like, I feel the emotions that I would feel when i As if I have this now. And the reason why that is and can be an effective tool is that it tends to promote this congruence, it tends to make us act and think and emote together. The problem comes, there is sometimes a problem. There is some research to show that positive, that unwarranted positive thinking, This isn't to say, Oh, I'm having a rough time. But I know I'm going to make it through here that is positive thinking, that's, you know, that works really well. But, um, you know, if I'm being evicted from my home, and about to live on the streets, and I'm thinking to myself, I live in a mansion, I live in a mansion, I live in a mansion. Um, at some point, I'm going to create some significant amount of cognitive dissonance there. And that has been shown in some research to actually lead to severe depression. So, um, you know, and in my mind is a form of spiritual bypassing. And spiritual bypassing is sort of pretending, pretending like we don't have any problems, because we're spiritual people see this all the time, it's maybe maybe the number one problem out there with spirituality. Oh, I am above anger, and I have no bad feelings because I have eliminated them. I am, you know, a level three master of spiritual emotion, etc, etc, etc. This isn't meant to put anybody down or be pejorative, but it it has become a problem, particularly in more New Age circles, where people don't recognize what's actually going on within themselves. And they're living

kind of in a deluded way. And using spirituality as a crutch. In the same way that people use drugs to escape reality. People can use spirituality to escape reality. One of the things I really like about the path that I'm on shamanism is that is very grounded. And, you know, even though I spend a significant amount of time in non ordinary reality, I am expected to walk in both worlds. And, you know, there's, there's an expression and I don't know where it came from, but I heard it on a shamanic podcast once, and I am so I'm sorry that I can't attribute this to anybody. But you know, it was a woman podcaster I can't even remember her name. And I feel bad about that. But if I can figure out where this came from, I heard it years ago, if we can figure out where this came from, I will, I promise, I will add some notes to this podcast or something. crediting people because I do like to give people credit where it's due, but I just think this is brilliant, and it stuck with me. And, you know, talk about a subject and then say, but does it grow corn? Meaning that, particularly among indigenous people in North America, you know, you're relying on your spiritual leaders Well, everywhere, in indigenous people everywhere, you're relying on your spiritual leaders for survival purposes, right? Okay. It's great that you can travel to all of these other realms, but in physical reality, Are you starving to death because you didn't grow corn or you weren't able to? hold down a job or you know, that sort of thing. And this is against this is sort of against the idea of using spirituality as an escape, there's a, there's a fine line between using spirituality as an escape and using it as part of a solution to a problem. So this is where this positive thinking can break things down, break down a little bit. Because if people are just ignoring reality, and not taking care of the things that they're supposed to take care of, not doing self care not doing, taking care of all of the various realms, we live in mind, body, and spirit. Um, you know that that's a problem, you are not just a spiritual being, your body is, is important, as long as you have one as well. I like to place importance on every part of you, your body is important, it is the vehicle that you're using in this reality, and someday you will shed that and not have this opportunity again, perhaps I mean, you'll, you know, if you do the reincarnation thing, you will be reborn into a different body, but you will never have this exact opportunity again. So take care of it. Take care of your body, take care of your physical needs, take care of your mental and emotional needs. And take care of your spiritual needs. You know, there's an expression from cars, firing on all cylinders, right? So if you know how, and you know, engines, gas engines work, they, you know, they have these cylinders, that have you know, that, that move up and down, and they, you know, essentially suck in gasoline, you know, as an aerosol. And then they compress it, and then the spark plugs fire. And that causes, you know, like little explosions inside your engine that keeps the pistons moving back and forth, right. And, you know, if you are, let's say you have a six cylinder car, and only three cylinders are working. You know, this might not be the exact math as to how that works. But, you know, you're only going to be working at 50% effectiveness. Maybe less than that, I don't know, I don't know the math for how engines work if but firing on all cylinders means that you're firing at full power that all of your cylinders are working, that your mind, your body, and your spirit are working together. When you get things into alignment. When you get that congruence, I think there's almost it makes, it makes the impossible possible. It makes things happen. This is where this is where magic happens. It's where magic is effective. And, you know, this is where the law of attraction comes into place.

So if you're just sitting on the couch, wishing really hard, that circumstances are going to change in your life, you may have some small influence on probability, but the act of sitting on the couch is probably going to have a greater influence on probability. Your inaction will have a greater influence on things and so you know, get into alignment get into congruence, magic will happen. Our consciousness does affect the universe, but so does everybody else's. Right, the 100 and 50 million other people playing Powerball each week, are also wishing real hard that they win. And, you know, part of the reason the jackpots gets so big is that there is not a winner every week. So I don't know if people are canceling out each other's wishes or that sort of thing. And that gets into, you know, the idea of ecological being ecological. If when I'm wishing for harms others or causes harms harm to me in some other way, you know, you know, I can give I won't give a personal example of that, but I can tell you that there was a period of time where something I wished for came true and it really kind of messed my life up for a while, because I didn't think of the repercussions of getting what it was that I wanted. And I paid for that for a long time. So you know, something to consider, be ecological because you just might be magic, you are magic. You can't help but influence the universe even on non physically you're doing it whether you were doing it unconsciously most of the time. So that being said, this is a little bit of a shorter podcast I hope this has been informative, giving you something to think about some, some tips if you practice manifestation. If you don't practice manifestation, you're manifesting anyway. You're just not practicing it. You're just not doing it consciously. So be conscious in your manifestation get into alignment, get into congruence, and things will happen for you. I know it I am an example of it and I wish you all the happiness in the world. I wish you good luck, I wish you to remain healthy and happy.

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Ep21 Manifestation and the Law of Attraction

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Everybody it is, per usual when I record these things, morning time. It is an overcast morning here, but I'm watching the Chipmunks I've lots of chipmunks jumping joyously through the through the grass looks like we got some rain last night. And I don't I don't know, maybe they're enjoying the wet grass, or they're hopping about it brings me some joy, love to watch wildlife and birds and all of those sorts of things. Today's topic should be interesting, and I hope very useful. And it's definitely, I mean, everything I talk about is essentially near and dear to my heart. It's something that I care significantly about, it's something I might teach about when I do classes in person or online. And this is something that is important. It's a popular topic, not necessarily why I picked it just for its popularity. But today I'm going to talk about manifestation and the law of attraction, and all things sort of around that. And I hope that I'm going to offer because, gosh, there's a lot of heat around this topic, right? This topic has been popular for decades. Going back, even before the book and movie, The Secret, the secret sort of made it really popular, but there were teachers of law of attraction prior to the secret going back, you know, obviously 1000s of years if you go back to, to ancient magics, and that sort of thing, but sort of from the popular route. We have folks like neville goddard, who think I could be wrong on this, but I think it was active in the 20s 1920. So you know, 100 years ago, you know, there was at least some some interesting information about this that was in on the popular scene. And, you know, on a personal basis, I have you used techniques, I've used spiritual techniques of manifestation to create lots of things in my life. Jobs, you know, relationships. And, you know, money. When I've, when I've, you know, needed some needed some money, it's, it's come along, and I've used techniques that could be considered a law of attraction to do that. So I'm going to talk about that a little bit. I'm going to talk about sort of what it is where people kind of go wrong with it. So I'm going to hopefully give you some really practical information if you've ever struggled to get law of attraction to work as most people have. You know, everybody didn't read the secret and then win the lottery. Right when that be cool, but you know, that that's just not how it works. And I'm also going to talk to you about where it can go wrong a little bit. Right. I have had some things happen that were supposed to, you know, supposed to happen. I think everything is supposed to happen. But were unintended unpleasant consequences of doing manifestation work. So we'll talk all about that today. Now, there are tons and tons of techniques of manifestation. right there's there's the you know, the law of attraction shouldn't work in the secret there's, you know, straight up what we call magic, sometimes spelled with ma gic K and you know, the, the I don't know what you want to call them teacher, author, founder of Salima Alastair Crowley defined magic as change in accordance with Will causing change in accordance with? Well, that's a very broad definition of magic, right? If I stand up and walk over to my refrigerator and grab a pitcher of iced tea and pour myself a glass, did I cause change in accordance with my will? Well, we'd have to define well, but sure, right. And is that is that magic, even though I did it on a physical level. So in essence, everything we do that creates a change, that is intentional, could be considered Well, I mean, could be considered magic can be considered manifestation. So I want to set a little bit of a baseline here and say that,

you know, when we hear the word manifestation or manifesting, in relationship to spirituality, we tend to think about things that are miraculous, you know, you know, I sit down and I pray, and a box of money drops out of the sky into my lap or something. Or I sit down and pray and I'm cured of some disease or what have you. And you know, that true those things would be forms of manifestation. However, I want to explain to you that we are constantly manifesting, we're just not conscious of it. At a very real level, so let me, you know, let me explain. So you're, you're hearing, you know, you're hearing me speak some words, and those words are, you know, maybe creating pictures in your mind, or you're just, you know, in getting the meanings of the words, but are you really hearing me speak, what's happening is some, you know, I'm, on my end, I'm creating some vibrations in the air, with my vocal apparatus, right, with my vocal cords, and my mouth and my tongue. And then those go into a microphone, which translates those vibrations into, into electrical signals, and those electrical signals are being recorded digitally. So that's those are being translated into a series of ones and zeros. And, gosh, a whole bunch of other things happen, you know, they go online, you download them, and sort of a reverse process happens, those ones and zeros are changed into an electrical signal that is, creates vibrations in the air, they hit your eardrums. your eardrums translate those into electrical signals into your brain. And your brain creates words, sentences, meanings, perhaps pictures out of that. So out of this your consciousness, your consciousness is manifesting my words and voice out of thin air out of out of vibrations. That doesn't mean I didn't speak these words, it doesn't mean there's not this reality, but you are, you are creating your internal experience of me speaking these words and anything that you see touch tastes, here, your entire experience of the universe is within your consciousness. Right. we overlook that because we live this on a day to day basis, but that in itself is a miracle, right. Some electrical signals can come in, create some vibrations in the air and your consciousness can experience a symphony. You some you know, electromagnetic waves can strike your retinas in your eyes. And your consciousness can create a sunset or a butterfly or a painting or what have you. So you are creating everything. Everything that you experience you are creating inside your consciousness, you just aren't aware that you're creating it most of the time. Right because our, our what we consider our conscious mind the you know, the awareness, the little voice inside our head, our ego, right or ego which is the little AI that thinks we are separate from the world and not connected to it, separate from the universe and not connected to it. That experience of I tells us that we are separate from the world that the world we're experiencing is objective. And, you know, everything we're, we're the subject and everything we experiences is the object. And we're not, we're not creating any of this, we are experiencing objective reality. But ask two people who witnessed the same thing, the same event to describe it. And you will get two very different descriptions of that, because they have different viewpoints, if different aspects of consciousness, they have different experience, filters, through which everything,

everything comes in. So I think what I want to express fully here is that you are a co Creator of the universe, you are, there's a divine part of you, that is creating your entire experience of the universe. And that is happening. Using this field of attention or field of awareness, we might call consciousness. And you are manifesting constantly, everything you experience, you're just not necessarily doing it. You know, I can, you know, I may or depending upon how flexible I am with my attachment to my ego reality. You know, if I look at I'm holding, you know, holding a cup of coffee here, have a little sip. If I stare at that cup of coffee hard enough, and I play with my brain enough, can I manage it? Can I change that into something else? Can I? You know, what, we might call hallucinate that into something else? And probably I could, um, would I be able to hold, you know, make that stable? Would I be able to turn that into a bag of gold? For example, we'll use an you know, old alchemical thing, can I turn my coffee cup into a bag of gold? and have it stay that way? permanently? Probably not. If I you know, I probably, I'm not saying that's not possible. Because ultimately, ultimately, everything is possible. It's another idea I want to express. Ultimately, everything is possible. And I could hallucinate and I, you know, use that word sort of loosely, because we're constantly hallucinating the outside world. Right? We have no, we have no real idea of what the outside world is actually, like, we just have the ideas that are created in our, our consciousness. Okay. And I'll give you some, I have some examples. And we could break it down into physics and physiology and all kinds of stuff and study it and measure it and do all of these things. ad infinitum. Okay, so I, I studied martial arts for my whole life. And when I was younger, in my, my youth, and up through college, I studied the Japanese martial art, karate, right empty hand way, cut out the dough. And one of the things I might have to do from time to time is to break a board, you know, punch through a board or chop through a board or kick through a board or whatever. Okay. And so, on a conscious level, if I aimed my fist to say I was punching, to break a board, but aimed my fist at the surface of the board, my body and everything else aligned with that would not you know, we'd pull back or stop, or, you know, however it worked out, it would not break the board, and it would probably hurt my hand pretty badly. But if I was able to, and this is the real, this is the real reason why they break boards in martial arts, if I was able to focus through the board, as if the board was not there. My fist could pass through it relatively effortlessly. You know, yes, I would have to punch it, I would have to hit it pretty hard. You have to use proper technique. All of those things are important. But the most important thing was the change in consciousness, the change in focus and attention that's required to do that. And there's, you know, there is you know, there's all kinds of things we do to train that to hit through a target, and that sort of thing. So that's the secret. Don't go out punch boards without learning the proper techniques. Please. But yeah, proper technique is important. But even with proper technique if you don't have the correct, so proper technique, the physical aspect, and then just proper technique, the mental, emotional, spiritual aspects. So I want to recognize that we are beings of pure spirit that are expressed in physical reality, I'm not going to say that physical reality isn't real. But our experience of physical reality comes 100% through our consciousness. And I'm using that term over and over again, consciousness awareness.

And how much of that? You know, the question is, how much are we passive receivers? And how much control do we have over that? So, on one level, we have a mind, we have a body, we have a spirit with soul, we make all of these different layers of, you know, layers of ourselves, right? And, you know, our mind, we're able to experience thoughts, we're able to experience emotions, feelings, feelings happen in our body, and our mind. And all of these things, there's a lot of crossover, right? Where does our mind and in our body start, and vice versa. And as science learns more, we find, you know, things like neuro peptides and in lots of cells in the body, and they talk about the gut being the second brain of the body, and most serotonin is produced in the gut area and not in the brain. So you know, that these things, these, you know, this overlap between mind and body grows, every day with the more that the more that we learn. So one of the things about manifestation for me is that I find that it works better. When all of our parts are in alignment and working together, meaning our body, mind and spirit are doing the same thing. Just like in karate class, when you learn to punch through a board. Okay, now I could maybe, I don't know, I've never been able to do this, but develop telekinetic powers, and sit there and use just my mind to break a board. I don't know, I think anything is possible, but I've yet to be able to do that. useful skill, if I could do something like that, you know, I wouldn't have to reach for the TV remote. If it was too far away, I could just move it move it with my mind. And, you know, have there been people in history who have been able to do these miracle things, you know, just think something and produce some effect? physical effect out of thin air? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I believe that for sure. You know, we hear all of these stories of different types of miracles. And but I don't think it's just a mental thing. I don't think it's straight up mental energy, I think, um, you know, mental energy combined with spiritual and some level of physical energy working together, creates the greatest impact. I often talk about human beings, because we're complex systems of we're systems of systems. I'll use a car analogy pretty frequently. Because Because it's helpful and and, you know, even if you don't own a car and don't know, necessarily how internal combustion engines work, you can, you can, you've had some experience and can can understand what I'm talking about. So let's say I want to get from, you know, I want to get from the state of Maine where I am now, which is in the north, far northeast of the continental United States. And I want to drive to Southern California, a trip of approximately 3000 miles in my car. Okay, so my navigation system works, right? I've got you know, I've got a good GPS system, and it works and it's got everything mapped out in my car. But I don't turn the car on. I don't start the engine. And I just sit in my car and stare at the navigation system. That's probably not going to work for me, right? And so I've got to get, you know, I've got to turn turn the engine on, and actually use the navigation system to drive across the country. Well, let's say that my tires are no good, right? No tread on the tires. And you know, one of them is going to give out in 100 miles or so am I going to get to where I'm going? Well, probably not. Because, you know, again, there's, there's another system that's not working in the same way. So even even in martial arts, and in, you know, in the karate analogy, I can have my entire body going in the same direction moving towards a target to break a board.

But if I turn my eyes in a different direction, as I'm doing that, if I'm not looking through the target, it's not going to work. It's a weird thing have demonstrated this to students with, not with having them hurt themselves on a board, but with different different techniques. When I've been teaching, I'm like, Okay, do this, now just turn your eyes in a different direction. Um, and the energy just changes and the technique becomes weaker. And because there's no focus there. So my point is to truly manifest things to truly get things to work, we want to get all of our systems working together. We want to get body mind and spirit working together. And I realize that many people's ideas of miracles or manifestation, have to do with stuff just happening without, without doing without physical interaction. And that is, that is true. And that does happen. I'm just saying, in the beginning, it requires a lot of discipline, efforts, focus, that sort of thing. So give yourself a little, you give yourself a little advantage. By taking we're called divine action or inspired action. In the beginning, so many people think law of attraction is about sitting on the couch and thinking real hard and a box of money dropping into your lap. And again, that's possible, it's very possible. Is it probable, no. So what we want to do is increase the probability of what you want to manifest. So I'll give you an example of a time when I was looking for work, and I was looking for I was looking for a job and I wanted to have a, I want to have a good job. And I had certain criteria, it had to have certain types of benefits and all this, it was very, very specific. And, you know, I went out and I tried just the physical route, right? I sent out 200 resumes and contacted all these companies, and nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing happened for months. close to four months, maybe. I don't know if it was the economy, or, you know, whatever, my resume was terrible, I didn't change my resume. So, you know, and I'm getting more and more frustrated, I'm trying to force things and then I remembered my manifestation work that I'd done years before and worked on getting into a state of allowing this to happen. And within a couple of weeks, I had gotten four job offers, um, two of which I had to, you know, wound up being close enough that I had to decide between two of them. They both had amazing benefits. One of them was more money than I ever made in my life and more, but it was what I intended. So intention is key here, what I intended to manifest and so so I accepted it and took that job. So what happened was I got into a space of allowing, I used some of the techniques, but I had also taken physical action. In other words, when and they will also say that all of these companies came to me I didn't apply. I didn't apply actually apply to any of them. They all came came kind of Looking to me through, you know, online sources or whatever. And, you know, it was amazing because I, I, as things started to align, I sort of said, I would like to get four offers, I got four offers, I would like to get an, you know, an offer of at least this much, I got an offer of that much I would like to have these benefits and, and received those benefits.

But it didn't happen until I sort of let go, but I did have to, you know, obviously, when they contacted me, I had to take some physical actions, I had to respond or, or they, it wouldn't have happened, you know, I had to send my resume I had to interview has to do all of those things. I had to take all those follow up actions. But it started with my intention. And it started with letting go. And I will give you, you know, I don't know if this is a technique, you know, or not, but I will, I will give you a technique that I use sometimes when I'm trying to manifest things that works. It works wonderfully for me. So I, I sit in and I think about I think about the thing that I want to manifest, let's say it's in, you know, it's a job, let's say, um, and I will say to myself, remember when I got that job, and I will imagine that I got the job in the past that I already have, what it is that I'm trying to manifest. And how and then I asked myself, how did I feel when I got that? How did I feel when that manifested. And that that little technique I find really aligns mind and spirit in the spirit world, time is really flexible. Time is really our experience of time is really attached to matter. You know, and so, in, in a non material, non material world time is sort of loosey goosey, very flexible. So, again, I think this is you know, part of law of attraction is you have to act as if you have already or, you know, imagine or generate the feelings of in the feeling is important, the emotion is important of already having the thing that you're trying to manifest. Remember, when that's the, that's the technique that I used. Remember, when I got those four job offers, and how did that feel, and I imagined, made up a little story scenario in my head felt really good. Now imagine when one of those offers, remember when one of those offers was this much money and you accepted it. And then I, you know, I go in and imagine that and then release attachment to the outcome. That's a big step. Attachment tends to push things away a little bit. So let me give you a couple of hints and a couple of caveats when it comes to manifestation and law of attraction. So, one hint that, you know, when I've worked with students, or I've worked with people on a mentoring or coaching basis, and they're working on manifesting stuff, is that need to allow the universe to work out the details of what you're manifesting. Um, you don't need to, but if you do, it's going to happen quicker in ordinary reality, and it's going to be easier. I'll give you an example. Let's say that I wanted to manifest 100,000 US dollars. And I say, I will receive a check from the bank for 100,000 US dollars on Tuesday, in June on you know, such and such a day at you know, 345 in the afternoon. And, um, you know, the reason I'm going to get it is this and that and this and that when all I really want to do is manifest $100,000 so better intention is you know, remember when I received $100,000 out of the blue unexpectedly. And you you know, the spiritual teacher Lester Levinson used to say let go and learn God, you make your intention and you let go and let God I'll use the term the universe because I think that the word God can be sort of loaded. But I'm talking about the same thing, the all pervading consciousness, and manifester of the universe, god or goddess or the universe. Um, when we let go of the details, things manifest easier, because if you think about all of the things that have to happen,

the universe will follow kind of a path of least resistance, right. So every condition you put on something creates more resistance. And this is not, doesn't create resistance in the universe, but it creates resistance in your ego in your interface, like, becomes less and less possible for you. You know, unless you completely undo all of your conditioning, from the time you were born, until now, every condition you place on something you're trying to manifest will make it more challenging for you. Not to say that it isn't possible. Again, everything is possible, everything is possible in consciousness, you could get that check from the bank for $100,000, on Tuesday. And the reason could be the bank, you won an award at the bank or something, something something something. The problem is, if any of those things, if you don't perceive any of those things as being true, like the bank doesn't have an award, the bank doesn't hand out $100,000 checks just at random, that sort of thing. Again, you're not getting your body, mind and spirit into alignment, your belief is not going to get to be there. So that being said, you can manifest, it is possible to manifest very specific things, very, very specific things. Um, I'll give you an example of a caveat though. So here's, you know, here's, here's something from my own life. So I had a relationship with someone I knew this person, they were my friends. They were, well, I won't get, I won't get into more detail than that, because they don't want to, I don't want to give away an identity or anything like that. But I knew I had a, there was a woman who was who was a good friend of mine, and I'd become single again, and I wanted to have a relationship with this person, she was I found her attractive and intelligent. And we had very similar ideas about spirituality, and similar practices, and, and all of these things, and I'm like, I am going to manifest a, you know, a love relationship with this person. And boy, did I, you know, I'm head over heels in love. We moved in together for a short period of time. But the relationship was a disaster, the relationship was tumultuous. This person had what I think is a very severe undiagnosed mental illness. One that is sort of easy to easy to hide sometimes, but, you know, then comes out in relationships and just ended horribly, disastrously kind of messed up my life for a period of time as well. Right? Because what I didn't manifest was I didn't manifest a loving, kind, wonderful relationship, what I manifested was I want a love relationship with this specific person. And you know, so, you know, it happened and it was an important thing for me to learn to, to understand to learn about the power of these things. So, one has to be careful when manifesting about being really specific about things and you can manifest something specific but you know, it might not have intended consequences. You know, and we can always tack on for the highest good to our intention right for everyone's highest Good. I would like to manifest $100,000 in a way that is for my highest good. You know, and maybe this relationship was for my highest good, maybe I needed to learn something about trust and boundaries and that sort of thing. But that being said, you know, so the tip then is to,

really, like, if you're trying to manifest something, Uber specific, and you're trying to control the details of how it's manifested. That's, that's very egoic. And the ego is the part of you that doubts manifestation happens, that doesn't think you're creating the universe every second of every day. That's your ego that says, You're separate from the world, that you're not connected to everything. And, you know, the ego is not evil, it's just not necessarily correct. And everybody has an ego, I don't care how enlightened you are, you still have an experience of the eye as a separate being, you might have more of an experience of, of non duality, of interconnectedness, that can, that can sure happen. But I don't think the sense of AI as a separate self goes away. While you exist in a physical body, but you have a physical body. Even you know, you might not identify with the ego as much. And that's kind of a weird thing, right? identifying, you identify as the separate self, because the thing ultimately, it's, you know, I'm getting a little deep here, but ultimately, it's the consciousness that provides the identity of who you are. And so moving towards spiritual wholeness and spiritual alignment, alignment, and I don't necessarily like to use the word enlightenment, because that has very different meanings for very for different people. And in some worlds that has a very technical meaning. So I could potentially be using this word wrong, but moving towards enlightenment, part of that is, dis identifying with the ego. So you understand you have an ego. And some people don't understand that they have an ego, but first you understand you have an ego, you have a sense of I as a separate self, but then you dis identify from that, you say that sense of I is not who I am. I have a sense of I, but I am not the sense of I am the thing that perceives the sense of I am the conscious field that proceeds the sense of I, I have a physical body, but I am not the physical body. I am the field of consciousness that perceives the person, the physical body, I have a mind and I have emotions, and I have thoughts, but I am none of those things. I am a field of consciousness that perceives those things. So the more you identify with what we'll call beingness, beingness is that field of consciousness that just exists. Your sense of existence, not as a separate self, just as, as being, the more you identify with that the easier manifestation becomes, because you're not as tied to the ego as a separate self. And the ego as a separate self is the part of, you know, has been trained since birth that, you know, magic and miracles, you know, happen, maybe they maybe you were taught from birth, that they don't happen, that they're not possible. And that's the thing too, right. So all of these beliefs are tied up with the ego. Everything that you hold to be true. Even if you look at your hand in front of your face, and you say, this hand exists because I can see it that's a belief. It may be true. But your experience of that as truth is a belief. Once we start breaking these things down and dis identifying manifestation becomes more effortless. The more we identify with the ego, the more we say, I am a separate self, completely separated from the universe. And I am just a receiver of the world as it is around me instead of a creator. You know, instead of the entire world that I experience existing inside my consciousness, the more I identify with the ego, the the

more challenging, you will, the more challenges you will experience when trying to manifest or use law of attraction or perform miracles or perform real magic change in the universe according to will,

on a, on a very real level, you are, you know, as a, you know, as a separate self, you are a spark of divinity, you have this spark of divinity within you, I shouldn't say you are I should say you have the spark of divinity within you. So, you are a co Creator of the universe. The more you understand that the more you identify, we identify with being this and identify that you have this divine spark and that you are not separate from God, the universe, the creator, the field of consciousness. Brahman in Sanskrit, right in some, in some traditions, some advisory traditions, they say Atman is Brahman. So Atman is the individual soul and Brahman is the over soul of the universe. And in some traditions, they say, there is no difference. And I honestly believe that I do believe that I've had some experience with that, that we are not separate, that we are all connected, we are all one. So you know, just to just to wrap up, you know, remember to get ego out of the way a little bit, as much as you can. So as much as you can identify with consciousness. Get body, mind and spirit in alignments take divine inspired action, if you know. And again, manifestation isn't about necessarily doing nothing, it's just recognizing that doing is happening. And that doing is in alignment with, with being and having you know, that it could be a little confusing, I understand, being doing and having, you can't stop being, you can stop doing and you can stop having, but you can't stop being. So start from the place of being identify with your beingness identify with your existence, understand that the quality of your existence has consciousness or the ability to perceive to be able to pay it, you know, have attention is sort of volitional consciousness where you place your intent, attention. And where attention goes energy flows. So wherever you place your attention, that's where your energy is going to go again, there's the the, you know, the karate analogy, focus through the target and the target it's almost like the target isn't there, the board break the board as much as you can get the ego out of the way. You do that by identifying with beingness by identifying is the field of consciousness that you are and then you can play the remember when game remember when suddenly $100,000 came to me, how did I feel when that happened? and generate those feelings inside your field of consciousness that sort of aligns everything that makes you know, it's sort of like you know, clearing the tracks clearing the train tracks so the train can pass past you know, unimpeded. So that's those are my hints and and caveats and little You know, technique for law, law of attraction work. It's important stuff. And it might seem mundane. But it's important to understand why we manifest when we focus on manifesting beyond the fact that I'm going to get stuff, I'm going to get stuff I want, I'm going to have a life that's comfortable, and happy and have everything I want and be rich and whatever. Beyond that, because those are all worldly concerns. And all of those things, relationships, everything else are temporary, everything is temporary. Right? What does not temporary, anything that is not temporary is your beingness. Is that

when you manifest, you're demonstrating to yourself to all parts of yourself that yes, you are your beingness Yes, you're a conscious co creator, and an intimate part of this universe. And that is a direct experience of spiritual truth. There are lots of ways to directly experience spiritual truth, this is one of them happens to be an important one. This is a return to your divinity. This is a movement again, away from ego. Again, it's a movement away from identifying with the small eye, the small eye, which is our sense of maybe I am the body, maybe I'm really identified with my body, or maybe I'm really identified with my thoughts. Both of those things are super temporary. How long does the thought last? Right? How often does our body change and someday, we will die and her body will go back to the earth or maybe we get cremated or, or what have you, but the body components will be broken down. But that essential, immortal part of you. That is divine. That's the that's the important part to identify with. And doing manifestation work. Helps that along. It's a lesson that you probably if you are listening to this podcast and you're trying to do these things, it's a lesson that you're here to learn. You're here to learn how how you are a co creator, how you how you are part of divinity split off just so divinity can experience things and learn and grow. So with that, I hope that you'll take some of this to heart I hope that you'll practice I hope that you'll manifest great things. Contact me contact me through my website, which is main ma i n e, shaman sh a ma n.com. If you have any questions for topics you would like me to talk about in a future podcast. I would be happy to do that. I would like to get back to having some guests. take a short break from that for a period of time. But we'll have some more guests because I think it's fantastic to have some different perspectives out there. Anyway, I love you all. I wish you well and we'll talk to you next time.

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Ep10 Overcoming Poverty Mindset

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Hello, and welcome to speaking spirit where we talk about all things spiritual. Your host, john Moore is a shamanic practitioner and spiritual teacher. And now here's john.

John Moore 0:46

Hey, everybody. I have a very, I hope exciting. definitely exciting for me podcast episode this morning, while I'm recording in the morning, you may be listening, whatever time it is where you are.

Today, I have my first guest. This is something I've been promising for a while. But you don't just have to listen to the sound of my voice. And I'm so excited to introduce you to my dear friend, Jessica verrill.

And I'll tell you a little bit about Jessica, and we're going to talk about something I think is of interest to everyone today. So Jessica verrill is the founder and CEO of blue indigo publishing services she provides so lead leaders a global platform to showcase their skills through the process of becoming best selling authors. Her skills as an intuitive coach and energetic Alchemist support high levels of growth and alignment with the intention of attracting high end clients and opportunities. Jessica resides in Maine with her husband and daughter, where she loves connecting with nature gardening and being of service. And amen to all of that, and I am so happy to have another maner on here.

Good morning, Jessica. How are you?

Jessica Verrill 2:08

I'm well, john. Thank you.

John Moore 2:10

Excellent. And we're gonna you know, we're definitely going to talk a bit about the, you know, the projects, I know you have a lot going on, I don't even know everything that you have going on. So I'm excited to hear about that.

you know, why don't you tell? Once you tell us all I'm sure I will learn a tremendous amount about that. And why that why is that an important topic to you?

Jessica Verrill 2:45

Yeah, awesome. Thank you for having me. Oh, you're so welcome. Yeah.

I'm excited to be here and your first guest. Yeah. Um, yeah. So poverty mindset is something that I've experienced myself and come up a lot with, with my clients, and now with the publishing aspect of my business is something that I'm noticing coming up a lot. And I think a lot of times, people in the spiritual community or in the helping professions don't even realize that it's something that they have, or that they're even aware of. Yeah. And, you know, it's like,

I sit here, and I think about it. And, you know, I think that there's always levels to everything, like there's always a next level that you can grow into. But looking back on how far I've come and how far I've come through, shifting my mindset around this, and how much has changed my life is something that I've been really passionate about wanting to kind of talk a little bit more about and dispel some of the myths. Yeah, I think it's such an important topic. I, I'm sure I had a similar similar experience and upbringing where, you know, I grew up, you know, and not so such great circumstances, and it sort of creates this.

John Moore 4:19

This sense of undeserving pneus I think, for lack of a better term is that do you think that that's a big part of it? Do you think like, up upbringing and how that affects you? You know, later in life, obviously, you know, I just, I just turned 49 I'm, you know, pushing half a century and I find my upbringing still having an effect on my life, and, you know, that sort of thing.

Jessica Verrill 4:44

Yeah, I mean, it definitely does. Of course, you know, our most formidable years are up until we're seven years old. So, of course, that's going to have such a massive impact on our lives.

I think there's such a strong past life component. as well. And definitely a lot of like societal in, like energetic agreements that we need to work through, when we're on the spiritual path and actually promoting ourselves as such, you know?

John Moore 5:18

Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's, it's funny that you mentioned that that somebody I don't even remember who at some point, somebody, you know, made the following statement. And I don't know how true it is. But it seems like it could be true that a lot of people who are on the spiritual path, you know, over many lifetimes, you know, may have been sort of monks or, you know, priests or something in past lives where, hey, I took a vow of poverty, right, I took a vow of not having any personal possessions and not owning things, and, you know, that sort of thing. And still living that out. Right. I'm still living even though that may have been many lifetimes ago, I'm, I'm still living that out. I don't know how true that is. Do you? In your work? Have you found? Have you found that to sort of be the case? Or is that just sort of a story somebody told me?

Jessica Verrill 6:16

I've definitely noticed that, when I've done, you know, past, like work and shipping for people, like, I've definitely noticed that there's a lot of vows of poverty. And the other thing that goes in along with this is the visibility, you know, it's really hard to really be prosperous and abundant in your life, if you have visibility issues. Yeah. You know, whether it's in our province poverty, or like the witch's wound, or or whatever, right, you know, what those lifetimes of those massacres and all of that, you know, I think between the two of them, they're, they're very powerful for a lot of people.

John Moore 6:58

Absolutely, absolutely. And we're, I mean, we still live in this culture, you know, where, you know, is commenting at one point that, you know, we still have witches, as the bad guys in our movies, right, we still so, you know, even though, that whole hysteria might have been hundreds of years ago, in the Western world, where, you know, anybody who was a little different, and particularly women were persecuted. You know, we still live in that culture, we still are experiencing those things coming up. You know, the Wizard of Oz with a good, which didn't quite do it for us completely. But, you know, in our culture, we're still exposed to those, you know, those images as sort of, I don't know what you want to say like this. Anybody who's sort of manifesting or changing their reality, or that sort of thing, there's a tint of evil, you know, placed around that sometimes. Do you find that as well?

Jessica Verrill 8:11

Yeah, you're so right, you know, it's still it's still definitely out there. And, you know, and some of the movies like Maliphant comes to mind. He, like, it turns out that it's like, they end up seeing her as just really wanting to protect her and being loving and all of that. And so it does shift some of the light on that, but there's still so many of those constructs of the, the villain being the, you know, the sorcerer, the witch, who's, you know, either power hungry, or just trying to destroy the world. Right?

John Moore 8:45

Right. And it's such an archetype. Well, clearly, it's coming through in our mythology, like most maleficence pop culture, but it's still a part of what I would consider our modern mythology that, you know, thank goodness for that movie. I, I love the message of that, right? Because I think these things, these sorcerers, these, you know, dark beings, I think they represent their archetypes. They represent parts of our culture, they represent parts of ourselves that are down in the shadow write down things that we aren't looking at. And when we work I did I did an episode on Shadow Work. And you know, when we work on these things, when we bring them to light, we realize that they have good intentions for us that they have so much power and so much light and so much good stuff to process.

Jessica Verrill 9:33

Totally, oftentimes the things that we're really trying to push away so much have their greatest gifts, you know, they're the they're the pieces that once we learn how to accept them and integrate them. You're like, Oh, this is here to serve me, not not hinder me or hold me back.

John Moore 9:51

Right. Right. For sure. I want to there's an aspect of How should I put the sort of prosperity or abundance or manifestation? Or, or what have you? There are these sort of two opposing viewpoints depending on who you talk to. One, for example, is that, you know, and I get this sometime because I, you know, I see clients as a shamanic practitioner and I teach, I teach shamanism and other you know, teach meditation and other classes. And sometimes I get, and I understand the whole putting yourself out there thing, right, the visibility issue, because anytime you're, anytime you're visible, you're sort of inviting, you know, you're inviting commentary or sorts of things for people that don't necessarily understand you. And that can be sort of threatening, but sometimes they get pushed back saying, you know, because I charge money for my services, right? And, you know, I get pushback, you know, spiritual teaching spiritual healing, you should never, you should never accept anything in exchange for that. The other side of that, which I'm clearly I'm on, is that there, you know, there should be an exchange of energy, right. And in our, in our culture, and in most cultures, not today, you know, money is money, it's just a symbol of energy that gets, you know, transferred for from one but, but that there should be some exchange. And, you know, for me, I live in a house that I have to pay for, and I have children that have to be fed, and I can't do this work if I can't take care of my needs. And so, you know, I guess maybe there's a third, third aspect is that it's just necessary to live in this culture. I don't live you know, I don't live in a culture where, you know, that's tribal, where a tribe is taking care of me while I'm dealing with the spiritual needs of the community. Right? I don't, I don't live in that culture. So that doesn't work for me. Do you find, you know, do you have you seen this dichotomy? I guess, is what I'm asking.

Jessica Verrill 12:13

Oh, definitely. Even even so much. You know, as, as recently I've had backlash towards myself from you know, quote unquote, friend who also isn't isn't spiritual work for charging for services. Yeah. And it's kind of like, you know, the, the whole energy behind it. And what I really believe is that it's, you know, I know that I came here for a big mission, I came here to change the consciousness. And I have experienced, like, so many of us, I've experienced so many trials and challenges, and hardships, and pain, because of that, like getting me to wear that I need to be now.

John Moore 13:02

Absolutely.

Jessica Verrill 13:03

I'm not doing anybody any good. If I'm sitting, you know, in a cardboard box on the street, because I don't have the money to provide for myself. So then, if my physical needs because we we are spiritual, but we have physical bodies in this earth plane, if my needs and my security are not met, then I'm not going to be able to get to that level that I need to, for myself, for my clients or for the for the mission that I'm here to do. And, you know, I really believe it. Well, there and then there's another aspect of it as well. I mean, there's definitely going back to what you were saying at the beginning, the whole like self worth, and all of that definitely comes into play. There's a lot of stigma still in a lot of spiritual communities about charging or charging while for the work that you do. But it's also when I have invested high levels to work with somebody. I show up in a different way. You know, I was giving the example of someone the other day I had, I had a session with someone the other day that was, you know, what someone called fairly expensive. I showed up, I had my questions I prepared before I was ready. And had that been a fraction of the price, I probably would have just showed up and been like, Okay, I'm here and just whatever's gonna come through. So there's a whole other level of, you know, really being able to charge in a way that's going to suit your needs, your education, you being able to continue to work and healing yourself, getting to those elevated states without worrying about Money. And, you know, really being able to show up fully and enjoy life. I mean, we came here with a big mission, and it's been challenging, but aren't we supposed to enjoy the earthly things along the way as well?

John Moore 15:15

I couldn't, I couldn't agree more. I, I, you know, I definitely it's interesting, because we haven't talked before this, but I didn't, didn't realize you'd receive the same backlash, but it's not surprising to me, either. But, you know, the story that you told us is extremely interesting, right. So, I do think that when people invest heavily in work that they're doing, you know, and that means different things for different people. But yeah, there is this whole, okay, you know, this is something that I have determined is important to me to this level, and I am going to get the most out of it. And I've done, you know, I have done my fair share of free work for people I have, you know, worked as a coach and, you know, done sort of pay me pay me what you want kind of situations, I taught martial arts for a really long time. And I was like, I just, you know, just show up and, and what I thought what I found in it's exactly what you're describing is that people just didn't show up, they just either completely no showed or just weren't present when they were there, because they weren't actually invested, they were sort of dipping their toes into whatever it was I was doing. And I do like, you know, I think that people who are sort of spreading light in the world, like yourself, you know, the work that you're doing is, is important, and you can find ways to touch communities. You know, I do this podcast, you know, and clearly, people can download this for free. And I hope that it's incredibly useful and that sort of thing. But I couldn't just do this for a living. I couldn't pay my bills, and, you know, some small fraction of people who I'm also on the radio every week, right, and some very small fraction of people who listen to this podcast or hear me on the radio, actually contact me for sort of deeper work. And then that's completely understood. And those are the people who are meant to sort of work with me one on one, right, and there's sort of self selecting. But yeah, there's this sort of, in the beginning, when I first sort of hung a shingle as a shamanic practitioner, and I was I was very timid about asking people to pay me for a session. But I can't do it for free. I've got to pay for you know, well, right now everything's remote, but, you know, pay for office space and pay for insurance and everything else that goes along with that. And you're absolutely right. I mean, we are we are living in bodies, and we're meant to experience the world. You know, we are we are spirits. But we're, you know, we have bodies for a reason. We're here to experience things. And there is nothing wrong with enjoyment. There's nothing wrong with with any of that. And there's nothing in my opinion wrong with wanting what you want, just because you want it. That's another another maybe aspect of poverty mindset, where there's a lot of judgment around the things that you want. boy did I grew up with that I think my parents had sort of the intention of, well, we can't afford a lot of things because I grew up fairly, not not materially comfortable a lot of the time. And, you know, my parents would sort of shamed me for wanting a new toy, or, you know, that sort of thing. Oh, you don't want that. That's a waste of you know that. So we've always sort of excuses. And I think they were trying to not make me feel bad about us. Not having, you know, not having material means, but I think it has the opposite effect in the long run.

Jessica Verrill 19:17

Yeah, it's, um, definitely, definitely the way that we're brought up and all of the, you know, and actually, I'm starting to write a book in the end, that's part of, of what I'm going into all the all of the the programming that we are brought into this, and and how, how most of the time, it really doesn't serve us.

John Moore 19:45

Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't agree more. I mean, and it's not I mean, not to go too far off on a tangent. It's not just about poverty mindset, and I know you and I have had at least brief conversations about this. You know, about toxic masculinity in this whole, you know, I do a lot of work in the space of divine masculine, divine feminine, that sort of thing and how? Yeah, I mean, even, you know, I consider myself a feminist because I don't think the patriarchy serves anybody. Like, I don't think it's good for men or women to grow up, where toxic masculinity is the norm. And I realized that's a tangent, but I'm going on. But yeah, I mean, we, you know, we're so conditioned by the culture that we live in, and we're soaking in, our parents were conditioned, and our grandparents and even just in this lifetime, and, you know, there's the, there's the ancestral connection as well. I mean, most of most people who are now living in the United States, if your parents and grandparents were born here, you come from an ancestral line that was usually escaping something, either, you know, poverty, extreme poverty, you know, I have relatives who came over during the Irish potato famine, for example. So people were starving to death. Or you escaping religious persecution. So there's that whole aspect of it. Or if you're, if you're native, if you're, if you're a Native American, and you your line was born here, you were, you know, the the genocide and oppression that you went through, and they're still going through today. So yeah, I mean, we we encounter so much of that along our, our ancestral lines as well, I'm, I'm sure. You don't want to put words in your mouth, but I'm sure you work with people in their ancestral lines, as well, as you know, sort of past life work.

Jessica Verrill 21:49

Yeah, that's definitely a big piece of it. And, you know, I think that's so much of what we are. What we're here to do is to shift into clear and to deprogram those things for us, and then for future generations. It's, that's, I mean, that's so much of what I feel like I've spent the last 20 years doing is really, like, deprogramming and clearing out and healing all of that. All of the societal and ancestral and past life stuff. So I could get to this point of being present and being like, Okay, and now my work has failed, like it shifted it where it's more like, Okay, now we're focusing on building the new now we're focusing on bringing in the New Earth and the new consciousness and shifting the paradigm on a global scale.

John Moore 22:42

Yeah, I think, you know, I think what you're speaking to is really how we all have to do our own work, right, individually and recognize, recognize our conditioning. First of all, right? What part of and vishen lakhiani, who founded mind Valley, he's got a book called the code of the extraordinary mind. And he dedicates a lot of time to talking about what he calls rules. And pardon my French, but that's short for bullshit rules. It's recognizing, you know, recognizing rules that, that don't make any sense, though, that we're living out. And that have actually like, Well, why is that? Well, because we've always done it that way. Or why, why is that? Why can't I do this? Well, you just can't, you just can't there's like, no, there's no good reason, there may have been a good reason at some point in history, or maybe even not so good reason, but we've adopted a lot of rules, from our culture, we live under them. And they're, quite frankly, sometimes bullshit, right? There's sometimes make no sense. And I do like the term rules. It's a little, you know, people don't understand it. I want to talk a little bit about if you recognize, so that, you know, there's work that we all have to do, right, and I, you know, I, I tell clients and people who study with me and that sort of thing, like I am, I am a guide, not a guru. I am, I will never say that I'm done doing my work, right? Because if I do, I'm putting myself on a pedestal that's just ego. At that point. I'm always, always, for the rest of this incarnation going to be working on myself. But because I've done that work, or I've done a lot of that work, and I know where some of my wounds are, and that sort of thing. I can sort of sometimes steer people around the rocks in the stream, right, and help them along along their path. And that sort of that's sort of where I am. But how, how do people start working on this mindset if they recognize it in themselves? Maybe recognizing it in themselves is an important, important first step, right? How am I? How am I showing up in the world that is, you know, ruled by this mindset. Do you think that's, you know, I mean, it's hard. It's when you're living in your own head, like, that's maybe hard to recognize, how would one begin?

Jessica Verrill 25:25

Yeah, so I think that there's two very important aspects to it, you know, first, like, you definitely want to see if there are any blocks or beliefs or energies that are that are limiting your ability to shift your mindset and to be visible. And, you know, those can usually be cleared pretty quickly, like, I'm not a big, I don't really like to spend a lot of time in the past and diving into all the details and moving into it, because from my perspective, that just gives it more energy, and it feels more and it is like wiring, all of the, it's wiring your brain to really put more energy into that. So it's like, we clear those out and the way that you can, but then so much of it has to be like this conscious choice, and this conscious, like, practice of checking back into yourself and saying, okay, so where am I not showing up? Why am I not showing up? What is going on? What are my beliefs around this? And how can I start to shift it, and so much of it really feels like it needs to be that conscious choice of continually coming back, and coming into yourself. You know, because I really believe that too. Like, we all, we all have the answers inside of ourselves, and really connecting back into our hearts and into our soul and, and the guidance of of that, and really harnessing that power to propel us forward and to move us through some of these limitations. But so much of it, you know, so much of it has to do with just reminding yourself like, so, I'm really, I'm running this program right now. And we've been talking about this ability. And it's, you know, I have to phrase it this way, for a lot of the people who are in the healing professions, and the spirituality and all of that, it's like, you may be the most gifted in whatever realm that you do, you may be able to see someone and instantly know, this is what's going on with them, I can shift it, I can help, you know, help them them through this, guide them to this next place. And if nobody knows you exist, who are you helping?

John Moore 27:56

Right? Yes.

Jessica Verrill 27:58

And then it goes into that poverty aspect. If nobody knows that you exist, and you can't feed yourself, you're going to be so stuck in your own fears and your own limitations and that survival instincts, that you're not going to be able to serve anybody. So by trying to be humble and not not step into this, honestly, like, what was that term you use? The brutal, brutal is bullshit. Yeah. Because like, it's just, it's just a, it's just a block is just a limiting belief. It's a way of protecting yourself from being seen. So if you think that you're serving other people by not being seen or not charging what you what you feel, would be worth your time and would give you a really good life, then it's not about them. It's about you. And why are you afraid to show up?

John Moore 29:01

Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot to unpack there. That's really good information. There was something you said about choice and about a continual process that I that that sort of stuck with me. Because, you know, I probably lived a lot of my life under the misapprehension. That once I made a choice that that was it, like it was a decision point and, you know, and I'm said, I choose that I'm going to not live in poverty, you know, poverty, consciousness. But the reality of it for me, and I think for most people is that choice is a continuous process. Right? I have to continue to choose my actions, my beliefs, my you know, that sort of thing because it's not it's not that simple. It's relatively Cuz like, you know, our stuff, whatever that is, whether it's stuff living in the shadow or things that culture is forcing on us or whatever. You know, there, it's multifaceted. And I think in any in any pursuit, and I remember talking to a family therapist one time, and I was talking to her about her marriage, and she said, You know, I, I choose, I choose my husband every day. Right? And that was sort of meaningful for me like, Oh, yeah, you make a conscious choice. Every day, when you get up that I'm going to do this. And I think, you know, just doing that has this huge impact on our, you know, whether it's a relationship or your relationship with abundance, you know, continually, continually making that choice is, is an important aspect Do you find? Do you find that that's true? that's been true for me?

Jessica Verrill 31:04

Yeah, I definitely agree. Um, you know, and, and that comes down to anything, it's like, I really, I really like to, to think of it in terms of our physical because it's so much more tangible for people to understand, right. So it's like, you know, if you are like, wake up one day, and you're like, I choose that, I am going to look like Jessica Biel today.

John Moore 31:32

I have honestly never said that when I woke up, but you know, I get it.

Jessica Verrill 31:36

You know what I mean? Or, yeah, whoever, like, I choose that, I'm going to have a six pack, and my body is just going to be really strong and healthy. And all of this, well, that's great. It's an amazing first step, but you have to continually choose and take the actions that are going to lead you to that. And it's like, you know, so if you're starting like a new exercise regimen, or restarting or whatever, it's Initially, the choice is a lot more conscious. And you might have to, like, work a little bit harder to have that choice come back. But then it gets to the point where you've, you've built up this muscle, no pun intended, but you've built up this mental muscle of, you know, being able to say like, Oh, well, I feel better when I choose to give my body this. So I'm going to continue to do it. And it just gets to the point where it's one of those habits, that becomes easier and a little bit more unconscious. And the mindset stuff is exactly the same way. You know, at first, it takes a little bit more effort, it takes a little bit more control, it takes a little bit more focus. But then the more that you do it, the easier that it becomes, and the more it just flows. And then the next thing you know, you look back and you're like, Oh my gosh, look at how far I've come. I used to be really caught up in my limiting beliefs about this thing. Are these used to control my life? And now I don't even that's not even an issue for me. And, you know, it's just, it's just continuing along the, along the path and, and working through these different beliefs in that way. And

John Moore 33:26

yeah, and I think it's about you know, you know, what you're talking about is building these positive habits, right, you know, habits were habit, humans are habit machines, we can build bad habits in a second, we can build. Not so bad habits, sometimes it takes a little bit longer. Because we're overcoming things that we that we have built as habits for so long, and we're habit making machines, you know, when we first learn to tie our shoes, we had to think about it, right? We had to think so hard about Okay, you know, the bunny runs around the tree and goes up to the hole. And now you don't you just have the intention, tie my shoe, but you've done it so many times that you don't have to think it's and I think you referred to this, it's moving it into that on the unconscious level, that level of unconscious competence. And I want to call out something else that you were talking about. And to me that's really, really important. And I am a fan in general of law of attraction stuff in that it has changed the mindset, the secret and all of that law of attraction stuff has changed a lot of the mindset around spirituality and brought a lot of attention to you know, to spiritual pursuits into self development and that sort of thing. And I think that's fantastic. I think there's, I see a missing piece out there frequently. That with a lot of a lot of attraction stuff. You know, To not to denigrate it, because I think some of the practices are absolutely beautiful. But there's this idea that if I sit on my couch, and I think hard enough, a box of money is going to drop into my lap. And, gosh, if that worked, would we not have all won the lottery by now? Right? Gosh, if it worked that way, I mean, that is a form of magic, I cannot imagine the amount of energy that would be required to produce a box of money dropping into your lap, and it would be far more, you know, far easier to put money in a manual, you know, doing manual labor or something, right. There's a missing part. And that's, that is about taking the actions that are required, you know. And I like to refer to like, inspired action, right, really, acting from the Divine Will, acting from spirit doing things that are aligned, and ethical, and all of those things. And I think that's, I think that's a missing piece. I think a lot of people I see so many programs out there selling this is, this is the missing piece from the secret, right, I've seen lots of people selling movies and books and that sort of thing. And clearly, there's a market for that, because clearly a lot of people, you know, watch the secret or read the book, and, you know, whatever they were practicing wasn't working to their working to their ability. But I think, I think the missing part is in sort of in that inspired action, the work that you need to do, it's not that it's not that those principles don't work, it's that we are a body, a mind and a spirit. And, you know, you're not firing on all cylinders, if you're not taking all of all of those layers of yourself into into account, I see you nodding. So that's good that we're in agreement.

Jessica Verrill 37:05

Yeah, and I think that that's so much of it, you know, it feels like mindset is just the first step, get your minds around and focusing on what you want is really important. But then it's also feeling into it, it's taking the actions, and then the energetic aspect of it is like, you know, I can sit there and I can think about, you know, box of money falling into my lap all day, or, you know, calling in the ideal clients that I want to work with. However, if I'm not working on my own energy to align that frequency is what I'm looking for. Anything that I do isn't going to be, it's not going to be fruitful, you know, that the mindset is definitely helpful and can help shift that a little bit. But if I have cords, or like, what I like to call energetic debris, or attachments, or any of that stuff, that's just like leaking my energy all over the place, and how am I ever going to be aligned and really be able to be that vibrational match to what I'm looking for? So,

John Moore 38:18

yeah, yeah, absolutely. I, you know, I know we have, we have done a lot of similar work. And, you know, one of the things I, it's something I work with clients a lot, a lot of courting a lot of, I think you use the term energetic debris. I mean, we just pick up stuff, right? We, we, we pick up stuff that doesn't serve us and having that, you know, working with somebody like yourself, who can help, you know, move through that cleared away. It's tough if you're not, if you're not somebody who's been through, you know, sort of a significant amount of training maybe to see that in yourself, where that's where that's been happening. So that's where that's where you call the, you know, I want to I want to be like, there should be a Ghostbuster song or something, right? You're gonna call? Call Jessica. You need a theme song when you get your theme song. But yeah, I mean, completely, right. And in, so I use the term firing on all cylinders, right? And that's a you know, if you if people out there don't know that it's a car term, right? So you have your engine in your car has cylinders, let's say you have six cylinders, and two of them aren't working, right? How much power how much energy how, how is the ability for your car, to work efficiently and get you from one place to another going to be impacted? It's going to be impacted significantly. And so I think if you think of human cylinders, right, we have our you know, we have all of our bodies for lack of a better term right? We have our physical Our body and our mental and our emotional body and our etheric body and our astral like all of these things, when we get them into alignment, that's when I think the magic sort of happens, right? When we take care of, we've got to take care of everything. We're, we're, we're systems of systems, we're complex and, and beautiful, you know, beautiful in our complexity. Here's a, this is completely random, completely random fact that just jumped into my head. So human DNA is, I think, I think it's two meters long, every strand of DNA is two meters long if you were stretched out end to end. And if you think about the, how small the nucleus of a cell is where your DNA is stored, somebody said, it's like packing 50 miles of kite string into a shoe box, like just kind of a miracle. And only 3% of your DNA is coding DNA, right? Meaning that it creates the proteins that build your entire body. And the other 97% scientists have, some scientists have referred to as junk DNA, right doesn't do anything, because we don't know what it does. But that some really smart people way smarter than I am, took that took that DNA, that, quote unquote, junk DNA and ran it through linguistic analysis software, multiple algorithms, and it codes as language. As human language has the same statistical patterns, we don't understand it. So even on the very physical level, and you're inside your nucleus, inside your DNA, there's so much complexity there. There's so much and that's just one part of you, I guess that's where this whole tangent is going about how we have to address ourselves at the, at different levels. And epigenetic research is really interesting. And it has told us what shamans from ages ago have told us that, you know, things like trauma, get passed down in, even on the physical level, even a genetic level, we can detect generations and generations ago, there's a study of the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, and we can detect epigenetic changes in the note a couple of generations. And I think they did a study with worms who have, you know, similar DNA, and they can detect changes 23 generations, obviously, that's hard to study with humans, cuz that's, you know, represents a really, really long time. But with worms, you know, they could detect epigenetic changes from things like starvation or trauma 23 generations later. So, I think my whole tangent is about how we have to address these things. And ourselves. I feel like we've gone way beyond poverty mindset at this point, but that's okay. It's all good. We never, we never know where this is gonna go.

Jessica Verrill 43:11

Exactly. It's so sure that epigenetics just fascinates me. And it makes so much sense to you know, we know, with our, with our training, and our work that we are energy is that that is impacting everything. So it's, um, it's really powerful to me, and that's, you know, before I was well on my, you know, my, my energetic training healing journey before I had my daughter, and I'm so glad that I was, and that was one of my things. Like, as I started to get older, it kind of fueled me, I was like, I need to clean up as much as I can.

John Moore 43:52

Yeah, yeah,

Jessica Verrill 43:52

I'm passing this on to her. And, you know, I think that there's, I'm sure that there haven't been any studies about this, but I think that energetically, you know, even still, the work that I'm doing is still shifting her. You know, and, and that aspect as well.

John Moore 44:10

Yeah. Um, so I like to say when you heal yourself, you heal the world, right? And, you know, the, the closer, people are definitely your daughter, right? Definitely, when I work on myself, it has a positive, I've seen it have a positive impact on on my kids. And, you know, the nice thing, in my opinion is that a lot of that energetic work, a lot of that spiritual work, it actually, this may be a little mind bending, there if you've never done past life stuff, but it actually travels in both directions on your ancestral line, meaning people who came before you are actually going to get a benefit from the work that you're doing. I know it's hard. You know, think about your great great, great grandparents getting a boost from the work that you're doing. But in the formless world of spirits, time isn't really the same thing as soon as in physical reality. But definitely in physical reality, when you do that work, and there's definitely, maybe not on a spiritual level, but there's definitely studies out there about how parents who do their own work on a psychological basis, right, so if I am suffering from depression or something like that, how doing, doing my own work. And that alone, just just having that change in myself has a huge impact on on my children. And that's, you know, that's always been a big driver for my own personal development in the way that I show up in the world. I know it is for you to like, what kind of a world do I want to leave for my kids, and you know, if they have kids and and that sort of thing. But it starts with the changes I'm making myself because I, this is the most control I have over anything. It's really the only control over anything. For sure, yeah, particularly, I mean, gosh, we haven't even talked about this. But you know, having, having kids, school aged kids during the pandemic, and they're, you know, being a parent and the challenges of all of that, you recognize, this is the only thing and I'm pointing at myself, I realize you can't see that out there in podcast land. This is the thing I have any control over whatsoever. So that's those are my handles, right? If you think about life as a machine with a bunch of handles, the handles I have that I can control things with really just pointing at myself, they're really just connected to parts of myself. And those, those are the things that and maybe recognizing that as part of escaping this, this mindset that might not be serving us.

Jessica Verrill 47:04

Yeah, definitely. And even like, even to take it one step further. You know, our kids are, of course, so intimately connected with us, but all of our relationships, you know, it's, I've talked to so many people about this for their, they're frustrated with a friend or their boss or their spouse, and it's like, you are the only person that you can control, you know, to so work on you work on how you perceive things, and take taking everything and this is going off. I'm not going to get too far into this because this is a whole other you know, it's like looking at everything as like, wow, okay, I was really triggered by that, or that really brought up a lot of things for me. So instead of being upset, at the out the external thing that is triggering you look at that and saying, thank you so much for showing me where I still need to heal. Thank you so much for this opportunity of reflection. And you know, I think kids are the biggest reflector of

John Moore 48:11

100% Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I could tell you so I have. I have twins. I mean, you know, this, but I have twin daughters. And they each reflect different aspects of my personality. And when I look at some of the things they do that maybe you know, Trump kids do when they get into trouble or whatever, I'm like, Oh, yeah, I need to take responsibility for and their mom, their mom will tell you that, like you got that from your dad and I there's no, there's no fighting about that. That's, uh, you know, I'll own it. I'll own it. All of the mischief and trouble, that's all me 100% So, you know, I've earned it. I've earned those mirrors. I've earned that reflection and it's, you know, I check I laugh a lot. And so it's it's a good thing. We're coming to the end, can you believe that it's been, you know, almost an hour that we've been talking and we've been coming to the end but I want to this has been fantastic. It's definitely been eye you know, eye opening for me. As I'm sure it is, for all of our listeners, I want to I do want to because I don't 100% know what you're up to I want to find out like on a on a professional level what you're, what you're doing and what you're up to.

Jessica Verrill 49:31

Awesome. Yeah, so to be completely honest, I'm never 100% Sure.

John Moore 49:39

Okay, something else we have in common All right, I get it.

Jessica Verrill 49:44

I'm so guided that sometimes it's just an over this past year I've had pivot like shift after shift after shift. Um, so but in all reality, yes, I do have some some awesome projects that I'm Working on. So my biggest focus right now is I have been assisting these heart centered leaders who know that they're here to create big change. They're the the wayshowers, the paradigm shifters. And I'm helping them gets their, their voices and their, their work and their gifts out on a global platform through a multi authored book. And this is the one that I'm doing right now I have more projects that are kind of, this is why I'm saying I don't have full control over it, because I'm a very direct channel. So oftentimes, it's like, Okay, this is what you're doing next. And then right.

John Moore 50:46

Okay.

Jessica Verrill 50:48

Sometimes I feel like I'm just, even though I definitely have control and pretty well, it feels like with following that I'm just kind of along for the ride sometimes. Yeah, I hear you. So this, this current project, the title is called soul mission leaders ushering in the New Earth. And I'm designing it as a as a teaching platform. So each contributor is sharing a lesson a skill, a mindset shift through either a story or a written out lesson, or a combination of both. And I'm, you know, doing all of the the energetic, the mindset support, I have someone amazing, who's coming in and doing a couple of writing classes, I have all of these things in the works. And then I'm taking care of all of the backend things. So I'm, you know, hiring very, like premium editing, contextual editing, high end cover designer doing all of that, and pulling this together and getting this book out to as many people as humanly possible. So, yeah, that's, that's very good. Another one that I told you that will be in the works. And I haven't started on this one yet. But there's definitely an aspect about the toxic masculinity. Yeah. Coming in, because that's, that's so important. And, you know, we could go on, we could do a whole, like three hours just on this easily. You know, but it's very courageous of men to be able to recognize that within themselves, and to shift that. And then also, you know, be a gay guy and standing up for others to be able to do the same thing. And there's a lot of a lot of stigma against that, and a lot of pressures against that. So I'm really wanting to give, I and my guys give voice to that as well. So yeah, that is my main focus, I do some one on one coaching. But it's very limited, I usually only take two to three clients at a time. I like to really dedicate a lot of my my time and my energy to them. And so I'm focusing on my book project, I am still taking contributors for that, if anyone is interested, you can get

find out all of the details on my website is just JessVerrill.com. So it's Jess, V as in Victor, e, r, r i, l l.com. There's a whole section under there for blue indigo publishing. And I have some fun other things coming down the pipeline, too. I'm working on my own solo book and an immersion course that will go with that.

John Moore 53:58

So very nice, very nice. So I think what that means is that you have to come back and be a guest again, so we can find out what's going what else is going on. And I totally agree we could Gosh, I mean, I

I've written quite a bit about toxic masculinity. So we definitely spend a whole lot of time on that topic, how important and I think it's just amazing. I love the idea of the multi-authored book and bringing these spiritual leaders together and so I'm excited to read it when you're done with it and what an important task you're doing. Because taking care of all of the back end. Part of that is and doing the energetic support. Wow. I can't imagine how busy you must be. I'm pretty busy, and you're a mom. So Wow, that's Yeah, yeah. Um,

Jessica Verrill 54:55

I am pretty busy. But you know, that's such a limiting thing for so many people. You know, they don't Yeah, sure lots get their work out there and they want to write, but either they don't know how to self publish, or they don't getting into shouldn't traditional publishing contract as well, like 1% of people out there, do it. It's, it's so old school that, you know, and has so many barriers to apps that I really wanted to make it as accessible to so many more people.

John Moore 55:23

Yeah, I mean, I, yes. I completely, I completely agree. I have done the traditional publishing thing. And, you know, I work I do work. I have worked with a publisher and I do work with with a publisher, but it's challenging. And for me, it was, you know, not, I mean, yes, I've written book proposals and that sort of thing. But it's, you know, it's almost the kind of thing where I had to have a personal connection, and somebody come to me, kind of thing where I wasn't sort of randomly, I can't even imagine doing that in this day and age. The old traditional, like mailing a manuscript off, I mean, they're, yeah, they're publishing houses that do that, but it's, you gotta Yeah, definitely have to be prepared for a whole lot of rejection and paying for a lot of stamps. to mail stuff back and to get it mailed back to you or, you know, that sort of thing. But yeah, I think it's, I think it's a fantastic thing that you're doing, as I said that a giant crow just flew in front of my, my window and crows definitely a messenger spirit for me. This is this one's an old friend, who I see from time to time I try to try to I think it's a her and I don't know the difference, honestly. But I've I've said it to her, and I've tried to feed her and her friends. So it's usually a pretty good omen. But with that, we're almost at an hour. That's crazy. It's Time flies. I just want to thank you so much for coming on. I will. You know, there will be you know, information in the podcast notes. If you are interested in what Jessica's got going on. Definitely check her out, keep an eye out for her books. And I know I have enjoyed this conversation immensely. And so what I want to do is, I will cajole Jessica to come back in the future and talk about other things maybe as she you know, with respect to her with respect to her busy schedule, but super nice to see you. It's been a little while and fantastic to talk to you.

Jessica Verrill 57:47

Thank you so much. Um, one other thing that I just wanted to throw out there if anybody is on Clubhouse, I'm doing a lot of a lot of rooms and hosting and clubhouse so you can follow me on there as well. And my handle is at just

John Moore 58:03

awesome. So if you've got clubhouse, if you were lucky in your in clubhouse fine, just fine just there.

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