Announcer 0:28

Hello, and welcome to speaking spirit where we talk about all things spiritual. Your host, john Moore is a shamanic practitioner and spiritual teacher. And now here's john.

John Moore 0:48

Everybody. I always have the urge to say good morning when I do these because I always record them in the morning, but I have no idea what time it is when you're listening to this. So I will say good morning. Good evening, good afternoon, whatever time of day, it is where you are. I'm really excited today, I have a special guest. My guest is Liza Dimitri. And she has made me she has not given me a bio to read to you. So I have to wing my, my introduction of her.

has and probably will continue to host a radio show. She is a small business owner. She's got all kinds of things going on. I know you're also on the library, the board for the library in the town that I grew up in. And Gosh, what am I missing anything? You've got a dog?

Liza Dimitri 2:15

I do have a dog. I have three kids. I'm actually on. Vice President of the Auburn. Lewiston Auburn Children's Foundation. I love that board. We only know once a year. It's fabulous. Oh, once a year.

John Moore 2:26

Yeah. I was gonna say where do you find the time for all of this? I now I guess.

Liza Dimitri 2:31

That's how I got on that board. I asked them how often that they were going to meet. They said once a year. I said Sign me up. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, that's a good board to be.

John Moore 2:43

I wanted to have Liza on today partially be well, you know, mainly because she's, she's a friend. And she's very cool. And

Me to hearing I'm expressing gratitude. And I don't want to talk about well, we're gonna talk about a bunch of things today. But I want to talk about positivity. And not to take things in a in a podcast about gratitude and positivity, I want to take things down a darker road at some point.

Liza Dimitri 3:31

But that's kind of your style, john

will bring it back around,

John Moore 3:35

we'll bring it we'll haul it back around, you can rein me in at the by the end of the podcast. So we're back in a good space. But I want to talk about this. Also this concept of like toxic positivity, right and what that means, and along with sort of spiritual bypassing what I call spirit, well, not not my term, but a term spiritual bypassing what that means and how we can sort of live in gratitude in this world. But also be sort of careful about the the flip side, the darker the darker side of

bury things under positivity and that sort of thing. So does that sound good? That sounds good. Sounds good to me. Awesome. So what are you grateful for today?

Liza Dimitri 4:23

Well, it's funny that you said that I

this whole pandemic I've been sleeping in a little bit later than usual because the boys are remote. And so we don't have this hectic, crazy schedule, which is one of the silver linings of it. But anyway, I was lying in bed trying to wake up early for you. And I was like, Well, I'm grateful for my friend john and this opportunity to be on the radio again because I really miss that. Yeah. And also so today's International Women's Day. I don't know when you're going to you know publish this or

Whatever. But anyway, I ironically enough for that current use of that word, but anyway, I'm actually get to see my best friend today and my mom, we just kind of like, worked out that way. So I'm grateful it's gonna be a fabulous Monday. I'm super excited.

John Moore 5:14

Yeah, I mean, those are all good things to be grateful for. And, um, yeah, so this will this will go out today, I usually push these out the same day. So I'm happy International Women's Day, I should recognize that women obviously, you know, obviously play an extremely important role in my life, I you know, have have a mom like most of us and grandmother and aunts and uncles, but I also have daughters. I'm a dad of daughters, which presents its own thing, but one of the things I am really, really, really grateful for is the strides that have been made with, you know, women's equality, I know, we're not perfect, I know, we've got places to go, I know, we've got that, but the opportunities that have been opened up for my daughters, and, you know, on the, sort of, on the backs of the women that have come before, I, you know, I really appreciate that I want you know, I want a world for my daughters where they can be and do anything they want. And, you know, without any sort of restriction based on, you know, who they were born as, or who they decide to be or any, any of those things. And so, I always say that as as a man. I consider myself a feminist because I think the patriarchy is bad for everybody. I don't think it's particularly good for dudes either. Right? I don't think it's good for us men, either. We think it is because we're, you know, it's it's this giant pyramid scheme where we've put ourselves on on top of the pyramid for a couple of 1000 years. But I think there are some very serious repercussions to that. And again, I'm like, I'm going down this dark tangent, we're

Liza Dimitri 7:01

supposed to sorry, wait, let's, let's pin it. And that'll be Episode Two.

John Moore 7:06

Right? But Happy International Women's Day, even if you're not listening to this on International Women's Day, take a moment and appreciate the contribution. The the contributions of the women in your life and the women around you, and just take a moment to

Liza Dimitri 7:23

reflect maybe next year we can celebrate it and more than one day.

John Moore 7:26

Yeah. Yeah. It should be How about how about that a month or something? Right?

Liza Dimitri 7:31

I mean, yeah, I'll take a month with only 30 days. That's fine. Right? We don't we don't have 31. I mean, but more than the day, please.

John Moore 7:40

Yeah, for sure. For sure. That's the place to start. So so we were, we were talking about gratitude the other day, and it's really interesting that you mentioned the pandemic because as as sort of a life altering as that has been for the entire planet. You know, there are things that I have come to be grateful for and appreciate. And one of those is I don't have to take my daughters to school at seven in the morning. You know, they start school, they're remote as well. And they start school later, they sleep and they appreciate that I was talking to them the other day and saying, you know, want to be great, you get to go back to school in person. Next year, and I'm like, I don't know, if I, I don't know if I want to now I'm like, this is great. Like, you know, in the beginning, it was there, this is horrible. I don't get to see my friends. I don't you know, I don't get to hang out at lunchtime, I don't get to do this. And now they're like, I get to sleep in I get to so it is it is interesting to find the silver linings, and I get to have lunch with my daughters. And I wouldn't normally do that if they were at school, obviously. And we right. It's, it's like a nice little, little part of my day I get to you know, sometimes I help them with homework right before a class or, you know, that sort of thing. So there are a few things to be

Liza Dimitri 9:04

Grier green, same things happening over here. So, the boys and girls, right, right.

John Moore 9:12

Interestingly, we, you know, we were talking about I want to talk a little bit about the why of gratitude. And, you know, why, you know, gratitude has become this sort of important catchword in sort of spiritual and personal development. Communities are lots of books about gratitude. We have, you know, Platt platitudes This is going to be a rhyme the platitude of show the attitude of gratitude, right, which is

Liza Dimitri 9:40

sounds like a shirt.

John Moore 9:41

It does sound like a T shirt. I think I've seen that on a bumper sticker and

Liza Dimitri 9:45

something

John Moore 9:46

Um, so you know, what's the big deal with gratitude why, like what's what's important about it, like why would Why would it make any difference whatsoever I want to get I've got to take on obviously wouldn't be enough. If I didn't Have a take on it. But

Liza Dimitri 10:02

I want to know thing to say

John Moore 10:03

I want to Yeah, I have nothing to say about this, but let's talk about it. What's, what's your take? What's your take on? Why not just feeling gratitude, but expressions of gratitude are important?

Liza Dimitri 10:17

Well, I feel kind of, it's funny that you say that, because I was thinking about that, when we decided to do this podcast, and this may be a selfish, selfish reason for it, but I honestly, it makes me feel good. Like, right now. either doing little things for people or like, a, you know, for example, at the grocery store, I everybody, especially the past year, people complain, a drop of a hat, you know, and really, around here anyway, I think we're, we're okay. You know, like, I'm so grateful that we live in Maine for all of this as well, not to like, I'm not I'm spinning out of control. But anyway, but I'm at the checkout. I like, you know, this, is there anything, we can help you whether you have questions, or whatever, you know, how they always ask them, and I tried to compliment them on something or, you know, say it was fine, or whatever, because everybody's always complaining. And if I can, like, make that clerks, you know, 90 seconds with me, slightly better than the person before after, then, you know, I'm happy for that. And doing like I said, doing things like that. Make me feel good. So,

John Moore 11:29

I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's this interesting, there's this interesting thing that happens sometimes with people who work in service, right, where we, you know, it's easy to not treat them like human beings, sometimes as people with feelings, or, you know, that, that sort of thing, because they're, you know, we view them in sort of, not consciously, not, you know, we're not necessarily going into like, oh, that, you know, that lowly, you know, clerk or, you know, we're not doing that, but just unconsciously, it's a utilitarian. You know, it's, it's transactional, I'm having a transaction with this person. So we're just sort of like business only, you know, none of this, none of this stuff. So I do find, like, I try and make a point, I try to, at least have a moment. And this is a practice I think, I could be completely wrong about this, but I think Eckhart Tolle a talks about this, where you give somebody your attention and presence, even just for a few seconds in that moment, whether it's a, you know, a clerk, or a waiter, or waitress or something like that, and just, you know, stop what you're thinking about, and just give them a moment of your presence. And that's really sometimes lacking, you know, and that recognition, but also that personal contact that you have, it does, you know, having, you know, when I was younger, I worked in all kinds of service jobs, you know, before and through college and, and having a personal connection with somebody is, you know, it does make your day it does, it does make, you know, it does give you a little lift that somebody is treating you like a human being with feelings, and

Liza Dimitri 13:22

even smiling at a stranger like, yeah, just hard to do with a mask now until I really tried to smile with my eyes.

John Moore 13:28

Yes, yeah. But it comes, it comes through, it comes through and I have, I have a little, this is a little, a little, like, spiritual practice that I do. And I try to try to, I'm not always great at it, I try to stay consistent with it, but I try to, I try to bless everybody I come into contact with, and it's just a matter of taking a moment and everybody I have, you know, that comes into my consciousness, whether I see them down the road, or I'm passing them in traffic, sometimes it's easier than other times in traffic, right? Particularly if somebody is is trying to trying to not be such a great person with you. Um, you know, that can be that can be a challenge, and I recognize that, and that's totally fine. But I do try to like give people a little blessing in my mind. And there's, you know, I came up in a you know, I spent a lot of time practicing Buddhism back when I was in college, and afterwards and we sort of had this there was this saying, from the tradition that I practice that you know, treat everyone as if they were your like, you know, if you imagine the whole reincarnation thing for millions of years, you know, that the concept is that everybody at one point was your mother. So treat them like you treat them like they're your mother or another. Another viewpoint is you know, if you consider us all, you know, all children from the same source Which we are, you know, genetically, we're all, we all come from the same place. These are all your cousins, your brothers and sisters and right? treat people the way, you know the golden rule exists in almost every culture.

Liza Dimitri 15:12

No, I yes, I absolutely agree with you about that.

John Moore 15:16

I'm going back to gratitude, there was an interesting study. And because this is a podcast and not a paper, I'm not going to like, go quote, the actual study. So forgive me and have to Google this if you're interested in it. But I do remember reading about this study that, you know, they did years ago, where they think it was in Wisconsin, there was a nunnery, and they went through and the nunnery had been around for a couple 100 years or something. And all of the nuns kept diaries, and they kept the diaries even after the nuns died. So they went back through, you know, some team of researchers, and they analyze the diaries of the nuns that had lived there for, you know, 150 years or so. And the nuns that expressed that had higher percentages of expressions of gratitude, in their diaries lived on average nine years longer. Right. So that is a long time. Imagine, Imagine being able to add nine years to your life without diet or exercise? Well, I mean, that's huge. That's huge. And it tells you something, because, you know, these are people living in the same environment. So the environmental factors are all the same, they're eating the same food, drinking the same water, their days are pretty much the same. You know, they probably have genetic similarities. You know, I don't know, I don't know for sure what the but I would imagine the demographics of nuns living in Wisconsin are fairly, you know, fairly similar.

Liza Dimitri 17:00

Probably, yeah, that might be the only thing that might be slightly different. But still, but still very, very similar.

John Moore 17:06

Yeah. And the fact that these, you know, greater expressions of gratitude, and we were talking about you recommended a book, which I haven't had time to acquire or read yet, but that's something that we talked, we talked like, a couple days ago. But I think the book was called growing younger,

Liza Dimitri 17:22

younger. Yes. Yeah.

John Moore 17:24

And it specifically talks about gratitude, as well as a practice of as a way of, I don't know, making yourself healthier. Yeah,

Liza Dimitri 17:33

no, exactly. It's something along those exact same lines. And unfortunately, I haven't read the whole thing yet. So I hope we're not having a pop quiz here. But oh, no, I just kidding. But you're right, it, um, I, well, the author's polish, which I thought was cool and found about, you know, afterwards, because I'm quite a bit bullish. But also, the thing I thought was neat was, it just goes along the lines of things that I already do, it's like, I mean, yes, we eat a healthy diet, and all that kind of stuff. But you know, here and there, we have little treats, but mostly, it's like, being grateful for the things you have having close relationships with, you know, people around you, and doing things for these people. And just having a general, you know, positive outlook on things, helps you to be healthier, more than that morning, kale juice, or, you know, running a marathon or whatever it is. And they showed, again, you'll probably have to Google this. But she, at the beginning of the book, she talks about a study that they did. People that did things one thing a day for somebody else, and over a certain period of time, and then it actually changed their genetic makeup. When that short amount of time which I was like, Holy smokes, that's crazy. You know, I mean, I totally believe because like I said before, when I do things for other people, I makes me feel better. So I'm sure it has an effect on my health. And I think that's so cool.

John Moore 19:10

Yeah, there's, you know, the world of genetics, we think of as you know, our DNA and RNA which are made, you know, just an amazing thing in itself, but there's this whole other. There's this whole other world out there of what we call epigenetics, which are things that we do that they don't necessarily alter our DNA, but they change the way you know, they turn on parts of our genes, certain genes. And that, you know, that includes things that we can pass down from generation to generation, you know, so we know that trauma for example, like you know, massive trauma gets passed down, we can detect changes in the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors. For example, we can we been able to do it with certain types of worms, we've been able to detect epigenetic changes like 23 generations later. I mean, this is it's, that's crazy. It's a pretty big deal, right? You can turn, turn parts of your DNA kind of on, make them active. And we know from research now that some of those are health promoting, you know, the practice of gratitude can be health promoting, and the act of doing something for somebody else, right, the act of doing things for other people.

Liza Dimitri 20:32

And not expecting something in return.

John Moore 20:34

Yeah, yeah, that's the big one. I

Liza Dimitri 20:36

feel like that's part of it, too. Like any time Well, it's like, Christmas or holidays, or birthdays and stuff. I'm always more excited about getting people gifts, and then getting them I mean, don't get me wrong, I finally get presents. But I truly love the whole thing of like, well, I just sent my brother something the other day out of the blue, and I'm sure he's like, why isn't Why are you sending me precedence? Yeah, I just thought that he would enjoy. It's something that I have. And I was like, you would like this too. And just, you know, I even got it in Syracuse, orange, because that's where I graduated from, but also makes my skin crawl a little bit. But you gotta have this right?

John Moore 21:14

Yeah, you're gonna have those rival rivalries I went to, I went to a school that our colors were our colors were purple, purple and go out and you know, in Boston, but we didn't have a big sort of sports presence. So it's not, you know, not wrapping myself in any jerseys or anything like that. I like, yeah, I have purple sneakers, but you know, Oh, I

Liza Dimitri 21:38

love purple.

John Moore 21:39

Yeah, it's a good, it's a good royal color. Um, yeah, the, the, I think, I mean, you touched on something important. And that is sort of doing doing something for other people and not expecting anything in in return, it's nice to get the, it's nice to get the gratitude back. But you don't have to, like you can just feel good in the giving of itself. And it doesn't have to be a big deal. It can be that positive connection, it doesn't have to cost a penny, right? Kind of straight to kindness is free. That's right, right, a kind word, a kind grants.

Liza Dimitri 22:14

sense. And I like I have been writing my aunt who's approaching 90, in Pennsylvania, and just sending her you know, notes here and there. You know, emailing my uncle and just, you know, well, and my mom taught us when we were growing up, and now I've pushed it on to my kids lucky, those lucky ducks. Thank you know, which I think have completely fallen by the wayside. But, you know, I tell I try to tell my kids, I'm like, This takes you less than five minutes, guys, you know, and it means so much to hear. from, you know, from you guys, and they love to hear from you. They also appreciate that you're being grateful about whatever gift they gave you. And, you know, it really doesn't take that much time. So,

John Moore 22:59

yeah, yeah, it's a big deal. And, you know, you know, which remind reminded me of something like a little bit of, you know, one of the another positive of the pandemic is my daughter's started writing letters back and forth with their friends, like even friends that live in the same sign because they're not able to see them. So they send each other letters all the time. And I don't know, personally, I don't remember the last time other than, you know, cards, and thank you notes and stuff. I don't remember the last time I actually sat down and hand wrote somebody a letter, right? Um, because, you know, we send email and we send this and we send that but they Yeah, they make little packages, and they do. And, you know, my daughters have discovered the joy of, of gift giving as well, that they exchange gifts for their friends. And, you know, they love they, they love Christmas, they get excited about giving gifts. And my birthday was a couple weeks ago, and they kept asking me, what do you want? What do you want for your birthday? What do you want for your birthday? I'm like, I don't want you to spend any money. I want you to make me something and that will be the thing. You know, whatever. They went all out. They played First of all, they they crocheted me on blanket, which was like blew my mind. My

Liza Dimitri 24:23

gosh, that's awesome.

John Moore 24:24

But then they made me this scrapbook. They took all these about 50 or so pictures of us have me with them together and made this whole scrapbook and the scrapbook had like a playlist of songs we listened to together in the car. Wow. I'm gonna cry. Yeah, yeah, just the most must have been wonderful. It was it was the most amazing gift I think I've ever received from anyone because it was so heartfelt. They had put clearly put a lot of time and effort and thought and other than to and they were so excited. I picked them up from their mom. house and they're like, you have to open your gift in the car because we can't wait. Like,

Liza Dimitri 25:04

yeah, so the other thing too, I'm always like, open it now open it open. Right. So that's wonderful, john. So yeah, I

John Moore 25:12

mean, I couldn't be I couldn't be more grateful for for that. And for, you know, and for the thought and the effort that they put in, but also that they've learned, you know, that that sort of, you know, gift giving is not necessarily about who's going to go and buy the coolest thing or whatever that it's, it's about this exchange of love. Really, right. It's about this right. I love you. And I'm going to give you something that shows that and that's how I feel about cooking. Yeah, yeah, I'm the same way with cooking. I just.

Liza Dimitri 25:51

Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to sidetrack. No,

John Moore 25:54

I started thinking about the dinner I made the other night, which I know I made lasagna

Liza Dimitri 25:57

last night. So I woke up yesterday morning, and I was thinking like, what am I gonna make for dinner? And the boys have been wanting me to make lasagna, which? I mean, it's not difficult, per se. It's

Unknown Speaker 26:07

time consuming.

Liza Dimitri 26:08

It's just a lot of work. Yeah. Yes. Like, it's like when they asked me to make polpark. And like, is that difficult? No, but Jeez, Louise, guys. Did you just look at let's pour some cereal today? I don't know. But um, no. But as long as I have the time to do it, I don't mind like, that's kind of my my other thing that I think I've realized with a pandemic, as long if I have time to do it, I don't get stressed out. Like, I just don't want to have to rush to do things just right. You know, as long as I have a little music in the background, and give me some time, and I'll make whatever you want.

John Moore 26:42

You got to have the music. I find Yes, cooking, cooking and music go hand in hand. Definitely or listen to this podcast while you cook. We'll give recipes away next. I definitely I'll get your recipe for lasagna.

Liza Dimitri 27:01

Well, that actually that brings up a funny story too, because I don't use recipes. I just Oh, yeah, mixed. Okay. And so then my husband will say, you know, how did you like? I just threw it together. But I probably could, I probably could break something down for

John Moore 27:22

the girls. The girls, mom is Filipina. And when we were when we were married, she would you know, she'd want to make something or her mom passed away. years ago. But before her mom had passed away, she would call her mom up and she's like, how do I make puns sit? Or how do I make this or how do I make that? And I was like, Oh, just you know, throw this in the pouch? Like how much will I don't know, you know, is like one of right one very similar situation. You know, I was like, yeah, you know, for cooking. Cooking is kind of an art baking as a science. But cooking is a little bit of an art where which is

Liza Dimitri 27:58

why I don't bake because it irritates me. I have to be too perfect. And I yeah, it's I can't play around with it. You know,

John Moore 28:05

I'm kind of the same way. I have a lot of respect for people who can bake and I have friends who do these amazing breads and all kinds of stuff. And I'm like, just, you know, just drop them off on my porch.

Liza Dimitri 28:17

That's I joke about it because my husband brews beer, two sides, and he makes all the baking things. I tell him I don't have patience for yeast. So I just avoid. I did. I did just,

John Moore 28:30

I did just make some I brewed I guess this would technically be considered wine. I made I just made some pineapple wine with you.

Liza Dimitri 28:41

I can't wait to hear about this.

John Moore 28:43

Yeah, so but it's dropped, dropped dead. It was dropped dead simple. Even though like the yeast reacted far faster than I expected and actually pushed. It actually pushed the airlock out of the I was

Liza Dimitri 28:57

gonna say did you have some explosions?

John Moore 29:00

A little bit of an explosion going on. There's a lot of sugar and in there. Yeah. And the yeast was like, Oh, that's really delicious. And make your stuff explode. And that's why

Liza Dimitri 29:11

lots of gobbling in carbon dioxide.

John Moore 29:13

Yeah, that's what we put an air lock on there. But yeah, I'll have to I will. It's it's in the fridge clarifying right now. But I did have to I did have to sample some. I don't know because I don't have. I don't have a gauge to check. But I think it's about 15% alcohol. So it's like, Hey, I can help you with that. We have hits hits really heavy. It's like a little glass. I'm like Oh, okay. Yeah, that works that way. Yep. But, but I don't I don't bake too much. Now and then I'll make you know, something simple like brownies or or whatever for my kids. Gosh, we could probably have a whole thing on food. Right?

Liza Dimitri 29:50

I know. I was just gonna say pinnate episode.

John Moore 29:52

I think I think it's dangerous because you and I are both foodies.

Liza Dimitri 29:55

I know. We can probably do a whole series on that. Yeah.

John Moore 30:00

For sure, for sure. So I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take a dark turn, that's my dark, that's my job term. Buckle up is my dark. That's my dark turn voice

Liza Dimitri 30:12

closer to the mic and get closer to the mic and speak

John Moore 30:15

slowly, slowly and slightly deeper voice. I'm a little bit, I have some allergy, some a little D nasal right now. So I can't go down in too far down in my lower register. But okay, um, imagine if you will,

John Moore 30:31

speaking of which, I mean, this is fun. This is an aside, it's kind of kind of funny, but interesting. A friend of mine is, you know, I have lots of friends who are musicians, I came up in music and came from a musical family, and I have friends who are performers out there. And a friend recently posted something on Facebook, and he's like, I'm trying to put together a recording of the Hallelujah chorus right handles, course. And I need people to can record at home who can sing a and who can record at home, I was like, yeah, you know, oh, I'll give it a shot. And he's like, thank goodness, we need men. So guys, I don't know what it is. But you got to step up in the singing department. Like you got to sing. So even if you don't think you're good at it, or whatever, you got to sing because I say all the time address my kids not to

Liza Dimitri 31:23

actually we have this running joke that they'll they will say something and that reminds me of a lyric from a song. So I start singing it and stop. And I was like, I challenge you just say something and I'll come up with them. They're like, yeah, so I can't remember what they did. But I did. I did like three or four examples right in a row. And, and David was like, Alright, that's I said, I told you,

John Moore 31:47

let's see, I sing and I dance. And I'm not to dance to I'm not a dancer, but I'll dance anywhere. And so even if like I'm in a in the grocery store and like something some really old song comes on over the piano because

Liza Dimitri 32:01

that's what they play in the grocery store sell Janet's music for

John Moore 32:05

quote unquote, oldies. Like I grew up listening this in high school, it's old,

Liza Dimitri 32:11

I know, which is like, I'm like, yeah, it's on and I'm like, oh, that means I'm old. But I don't care. It's a lot. It's just a number. Whatever.

John Moore 32:19

There's a lot of Billy ocean going on at the local girl.

Liza Dimitri 32:23

Yeah.

John Moore 32:24

I remember. I remember I was with the girls. I'm like, singing along to get out of my dreams get into my car. And they were like, what the heck is this song?

Unknown Speaker 32:36

Yeah, no.

Liza Dimitri 32:39

I mean, Oh, yes. Music videos. Yeah, right. Right.

John Moore 32:42

Yeah. Music Videos back when that was that was a thing.

Liza Dimitri 32:47

I mean, Michael Jackson one like was, it was like primetime TV, black and white, or whatever. They even that sound less. Yeah,

John Moore 32:53

yeah. black and white. That was a great one I remember was like morphing technology. Yeah. And being completely blown away by it. I was in. I was studying Mass Communication at the time and the technology. I was still editing video on tape, like, you know, had Yeah,

Liza Dimitri 33:09

multiple

John Moore 33:10

multiple decks and right, we're like one step above where that people would actually like cut videotape with a with a razor blade and splice. Yeah. We're just beyond that stage. And, you know, this video came out. And I was like, How the heck did they do that?

Unknown Speaker 33:27

I know,

John Moore 33:28

that was really cool. Um, nowadays, you wouldn't even need any actors to do that with all the deep fakes and all of that sort of stuff. Yeah, but very cool. But we digress, which seems to be really easy with us. And that's fine. That's totally cool. I'm sure people are really interested in our grocery store. dances,

Liza Dimitri 33:45

I'm waiting for your dark turn.

John Moore 33:46

Yeah. So this is I'll bring you back. This is this is the dark turn. And I just want to I want to touch on it briefly. Because, um, there's this, this whole idea of either toxic positivity, which feeds into what I call kind of spiritual bypassing. And there's this, there's this idea. So I, before the pandemic, I used to host this meetup, called spiritually conscious professionals meet up and it was sort of anybody, anybody could come it was it was pretty open, but we'd pick a topic and we talk about things. And I remember there was a time where these two these two young women came and they were, they were in, like, active recovery from, I think opiate addiction, like they were in a program together, going through some stuff, and they had sort of embraced some spiritual practice meditation or what have you to sort of help them get through that, that Stephanie, they came to this meeting to sort of connect with people and that sort of thing. And, and, you know, I just remember this one woman talking to me, she's like, Well, you know, I've been meditating all this time, and and This, you know, this guy cut me off in traffic, and I found myself getting enraged. And then I'm like, Well, I shouldn't do that I shouldn't feel anger. I'm this, you know, spiritual being who floats on clouds of you know, I was like, say float on clouds of unicorn farts, right? And I'm like, Okay,

Liza Dimitri 35:19

I'm on clouds of cotton candy. But

John Moore 35:21

yeah. And I'm like, so did you get angry that you were angry? And she's like, Oh, yeah. Right. And I'm like, Okay, and then did you get angry that you get angry that you get angry? And, and on down the line. And so there's this, there's this idea that you should, and shouldn't, I think are are not great words. Right, that you shouldn't experience certain things that you should be positive all the time. And, you know, there's this other thing that happens where, you know, like, somebody is grieving, for example. You know, let's say somebody loses a loved one, a loved one passes away, and people like, Oh, well, you know, they're in a better place now.

Liza Dimitri 36:02

And or Is that right?

John Moore 36:05

No, it's fine. It's good. And it's well intentioned, right? Of course, people are wanting to make you feel better. Yeah. But what they're asking you to do is to stuff your grief. They're asking you to repress what you're feeling. And that never works out. Okay? Now, that is not a good thing. You're supposed to feel these things. If you have anger about something coming up, and you're like, I shouldn't be feeling this. It's an indicator. It's an indicator that there's a wound there or a boundary violation or something. And it's not to say, you know, you shouldn't be introspective about that, like, wow, I keep getting angry about the stupid thing and I don't get it. No, there's gold there. There's gold to be dug. They're like, you get introspective about it and say why, you know, after the after the fact feel what you're feeling, let it let it go pass. But so there's, you know, there particularly in you, you may or may not have been around, like, sort of the spiritual community in the way that I have. Like, there's a lot of the unicorn fart cloud folks out there, right where I am. No, that's about I am. I am ascended. I am you know, I'm, I'm working on this. I'm Ascended Master and I don't have base human desires or emotions. Um, and 100% of the time, that's crap. Like, I have never, I have never met somebody.

Liza Dimitri 37:48

First. My second there, john, I thought you were saying that was you? That was

John Moore 37:52

like, Oh, that's totally made. I never complained about anything or have negative I have no, I said,

Liza Dimitri 38:00

no waiting for

John Moore 38:03

what, but I am ascended to the 49th plane of existence. No, I'm

Liza Dimitri 38:09

still learning about what what exactly that you do and stuff. So Is he serious right now?

John Moore 38:14

Nobody knows what I do. It's a secret. Um, no, I so I, you know, one of the things so my personal path. You know, the personal path that I have, sort of chosen or that has chosen me in this life, is that I practice shamanism as my main form of what I call like practical spirituality. It's like, that's my practice, I do certain things that are considered shamanic, I have training, and I have clients that I work with, and that sort of thing. And one of the things that appeals to me about this particular path is that my teachers are human beings. Right? And I always say, like, even people that I teach, I'm a guide, not a guru. And I had a, I had a client recently talked to me, and she's like, yeah, you know, my, I'm a little worried about, like, falling getting sucked into something or getting falling, you know, falling into something. And I'm like, I get that Me too. Like, that scares the heck out of me. I don't, you know, I guess if that's your path to follow a guru or whatever, that's totally fine. But that's something that that's something that I am not, and I don't place myself above anyone or anything like that or above. Human. I'm a human being. And as you know, shamanic practitioner, I'm supposed to be standing in both worlds, right? I'm supposed to like, there's somebody who has a shamanic podcast out there and she talks about all these practices, and then she goes at the end she go, but does it grow corn? Right. Does it grow corn? Because ultimately she

Liza Dimitri 39:53

from Indiana?

John Moore 39:54

I don't know. Um, she's from the US but you know, but I love that expression does it grow corn, like I can, you know, do all of these, you know, I can do all these practices, these cool meditative practices and shamanic journeying, and all of this stuff. But ultimately, I have to come back here and grow, grow corn. And it was the role of, you know, the role of the shaman in their cultures, not just to heal, but frequently, like, you got to know how to plant corn, you got to know how to do this and that. And so, you know, I think that I have a body and a physical existence for a reason. And then I have to show up in the world, and then I have to have these experiences. And I don't feel like I'm above that. And I think so I think what happens is that spiritual development can be very hubris, mystic, meaning it can develop an inflated sense of ego, sometimes, right. And, you know, it's something, some, it's a struggle, it is like, you know, your, your, you know, your development, you know, you might realize you have certain abilities or certain skills or certain things. You know, and it's really important not to place I don't, you know, not to place yourself above others in my, in my practice in my, in my belief system anyway,

Liza Dimitri 41:22

I don't Well, I think that's good in life period.

John Moore 41:24

Yeah, I think in general in life, but just so it's just something I know, it's something I recognize, and so it's the sort of toxic positivity that, and they did a whole podcast on the shadow, right? And about how we, as a culture, there's this cultural thing, where we're like, Okay, I have these desires, and or I have these feelings, and my culture tells me, I'm not supposed to have them. So what do we do with them is that we stuffed them down, and we pretend they're not there. And then we don't look at them. But they're still there. And if we don't address them, they're going to pop up in really weird ways, or really destructive ways. Because their, you know, their urges or feelings or emotions or things that we have exiled. Right, that we don't we don't look at that we don't, we're not in self examination of. And so when we talk about the shadow, a lot of times people are like, well, if I, if I embrace my shadow, I'm gonna become a serial killer, or a rapist or whatever. No, no, that's not how it works. How it works is if you don't address these things, then those are the things that come out. If you don't address Oh, man, you know, you know, this guy cut me off in traffic, and I really had the desire to punch him in the head. Right? I would never do that. I would never punch somebody in the head. Right? If I don't recognize that anger is coming from somewhere can never work on it. Right? That's not me. I don't have those feelings. I'm right. I'm above that.

Liza Dimitri 42:54

I know, I know. I totally know what you're talking about. And I never really realized, well, of course, everything has a name, I suppose. But if I I'm generally a pretty positive person, as I think you probably figured out Yeah, yeah. Happy, Happy most of the time, just because I choose to be, but when I'm not in a good mood, or something's really bugging me, and I am like, Whoa, why am I and I reflect and think and then like, Oh, it's because of that. And I'm like, That's stupid. I don't need to be this upset about that. You know, it's like, usually somebody's really trivial and, and it's already past and who cares anymore? So, but if you said, I acknowledge it, I'm like, okay, that's why I'm upset. And then I move on.

John Moore 43:36

Yeah, I mean, I think you, I think you hit on the key there, like you, you honor and acknowledge that you have a feeling and that that it's fine. Like you're a human being who has this experience. And then, but then you can be introspective about it and say, okay, you know, this is not something I really, you know, there's no, you know, we talk about like the amygdala, which is the part of the brain that gets triggered when there's danger, right? And, you know, human beings, we evolved, whether we're like saber toothed Tigers out to kill us in the grass, right? Right, we are amygdalas haven't changed since those times and so they get turned on. At weird times, with things that aren't actual existential threats to us, our brain treats them that way. And it's why there are a lot of stress related diseases. Because our cortisol and our amygdala is turned on all the time, this sort of low level that our ancestors never evolved to experience right it was like fight or flight. Okay, the the dangers over I'm okay, now I can reset. But we you know, many of us punch a clock from nine to five, five days a week in jobs that we don't really love. And so this is a sort of low level threat going along. And I think one way to counter what you know counter that amygdala core does All experiences with gratitude and some positivity and some, you know, this is may sound redundant but positive positivity as opposed to Yeah. toxic. Non non toxic positivity.

Liza Dimitri 45:13

Let's make it a thing.

John Moore 45:14

Yes, Yes, we should. we'll print the shirts and get the bumper stickers.

Liza Dimitri 45:19

Perfect. You

John Moore 45:19

heard it here first. I want stickers. Oh, stickers. Yeah, we can definitely do stickers and pins, little pins. Yeah. We'll do the whole thing. Um, but yeah, I think positive positivity. And there's a there's a practice. So, you know, gratitude seems like a really big seems like a really big word sometimes even though it's a short word, but gratitude, like feeling like, oh, what do I have to be grateful for? And, you know, maybe if you're listening to this, your life circumstances are not what you'd like them to be. And that's probably true for from, you know, most people. Gosh, I mean, I guess I would have to play the lottery to win. But you know, who wouldn't love to win? Who wouldn't? Like I

Liza Dimitri 46:01

wouldn't I know. I love what they say, you know, Money can't buy you happiness. I'm like, Well, I'm pretty happy right now. But I've thrown my way. I think that's Yeah, I

John Moore 46:09

mean, money can't necessarily buy you happiness, but it can sure, you know, pay off a lot of misery.

Liza Dimitri 46:17

You know, pay that bill. Yeah.

John Moore 46:20

Yeah. So I think, you know, that can be challenging when we're living in situations that actually feel really, like we're mired in sometimes feels really low and stuff. And so I always try to give people a little bit of like, practical stuff, like, what can I What can I do about that? And so a synonym for gratitude, I think, is appreciation. Right? Yeah, that's a longer word. Um, what can I appreciate? And I think you can start with really Oh, and as I said, That, my crow friend who I was gonna

Liza Dimitri 46:55

say, the crows back,

John Moore 46:57

the crow is back. I call her Crook Wing because she has a little wing show, one of her wings is injured, doesn't seem to affect her at all. But she hangs down. And I think she's, she's strong, she is strong. And I think she's in charge. But she literally just flew up in front of my window. So Oh, and there's her friend. So there's a couple of throat crows. But kerkeling is right in front of me at this moment. And yeah, I feed them and talk to them. When I go out. And they, they yell at me. I don't know what they're saying yet. But these days, I'll work it out. But I love crows. And I'm

Liza Dimitri 47:31

literally very smart.

John Moore 47:33

So like, I like to leave people with something practical that they can do. You know, based on what what I'm talking about during the podcast. And so you know, one of the things when I find it hard to be in gratitude, when maybe life is getting me down a little bit, or there's some circumstances that are sort of hard to get over. I start with what are the smallest things that I can appreciate right now. And this actually what it does is it trains my brain. Like we're conditioned, we're we're wired, but we're also conditioned to look for negativity to look for threats to look for things that are that are bad, you know, the tiger in the woods, so to speak, the saber toothed Tiger in the woods. So how do we start getting our brain to look for the positives? Right? How do we start to get out of that a little bit. And so there's a little exercise that I have done with some degree of success, and I'll share it because maybe somebody else will find some value in that. I'm sure they will. And that is like really, really small. How do you start a habit you start really small, small pieces of appreciation. What can I appreciate? Well, today, I can appreciate something small like having the electricity and internet connection to have this conversation with you. There we go. And to record this like that's really small. Gosh, do I appreciate the cup of coffee I have in front of me. small small things of appreciation, you do not have to go look for the large the big things to be grateful for right because life's not always like that. Life's not always like you know, oh, hey, I did just win the lottery or Hey, I got the greatest job. Or hey, I got you know, the love of my life showed up, you know, dropped dropped into my lap from the heavens. Mmm hmm. You know, it

Liza Dimitri 49:27

doesn't go ahead. No, I was gonna say that reminds me of something my mom wrote, you know, says a lot is God bless my rut. Like, I'm always happy when you know we've got heat in the house the powers on the kids are healthy, you know, the sun shining, like seriously, I I water's running out of my faucet. I can drink the water like a MP and that's why I think some people think I'm a little cuckoo, because I do get excited and happy about those things. But you know I don't know, maybe that's why I am the way I am.

John Moore 50:02

No, I completely agree. And I and, you know, the people that get cuckoo over the positivity part, you know, they're particularly we talked about this, like we live in, you know, I, I've listeners, apparently from 27 countries right now, which is pretty cool.

Liza Dimitri 50:18

So cool. I really matter today,

John Moore 50:21

maybe 20. After today, I'm really, I'm really grateful for all of my listeners, particularly all over the world, there's people in India and Russia and Bangladesh and Japan and Canada and New Zealand. And, you know, I apologize for not remembering every country that we have people listening from. Um, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's, you know, people are, you know, we, we grew up in this New England area of, of the US, and if you're not familiar, that's in the far northeast of, of the United States. And we, you know, this area was settled by the pilgrims who were Puritans, and they were Calvinists. And that has affected our culture, the culture here for hundreds and hundreds of years. And that philosophy was all about you, kinda, you know, to boil it down and make it seem really silly, was about you should be miserable to show God that you're worthy of going to heaven.

Liza Dimitri 51:23

Right? No, but that's pretty much Yeah, that's it.

John Moore 51:26

That's it. And suffering is, you know, suffering is holy, and pleasure is unholy. And all of these things

Liza Dimitri 51:34

are definitely not going to happen based on

John Moore 51:37

Total War. Nor am I and, you know, gosh, if I had to hang out with a bunch of pilgrims in heaven, although they did drink a whole lot of beer, apparently because the water so they made a whole lot. It was like one of the first thing like yeah, we're running out of beer, we better you know, make land. They drank a whole lot of beer, instead of water.

Liza Dimitri 51:59

So, so that has water. That's why you drink beer.

John Moore 52:04

That's right. And so that has pervaded the culture here, right? And so it's funny because you know, my relatives, I think about my grandmother's a really positive person, we're in really good person. She's 104, almost 105. And she now lives in real South Carolina, but she was born in Bath Maine in 1916. And, um, I met like, imagine growing up here, like I, I go outside, and like, Man, it's cold here, and, you know, whatever. And likewise, I'm grateful for heat and electricity and running water. She was born without all of that. Imagine bath, Maine. And if you're listening this and you don't know where that is, it's very cold in the winter. It's very cold and they didn't have cars. They didn't have electricity. You know, the

Liza Dimitri 52:53

beautiful there. I wouldn't mind growing up. And

John Moore 52:55

sure. They took one bath of water, one bath a week and all the kids shared the same water and it went. Youngest if you were if you were the youngest kid, you got the dirtiest bathwater. So yeah, you would have got the clean bathwater. All right, you would have been all set all set. And as I'm saying this a little chickadee isn't relative give me a play by play of the birds in my yard. But no, I

Liza Dimitri 53:19

watched the birds too. I love the

John Moore 53:20

birds, a pair of chickadees just flew into my yard and chickadee is the state bird of Maine. And there's a joke because they're the only bird not smart enough to fly. So there are a number of birds that don't fly south and winter but chickadees are very sweet. And they have a very sweet call. And there's

Liza Dimitri 53:37

no say they are there. No

John Moore 53:39

black capped chickadees they're they're beautiful little birds and they have the sweetest little calls and I just love them. I don't know if they're my favorite bird, but I do love chickadees Mm hmm. I don't know if I could pick a favorite.

Liza Dimitri 53:50

I know I was just thinking that when you said that. I mean I love Cardinals customer read. Yes, just yeah, you gotta fall but, and people like Blue Jays. But honestly, I find them highly obnoxious.

John Moore 54:02

They can Blue Jays can be very aggressive.

Liza Dimitri 54:04

They're so loud. Like, oh my gosh. They're beautiful to look at, but just don't open your mouth. Right? It's a big I suppose.

John Moore 54:15

There is a there is a raven that lives around here somewhere. And I only know because I can hear it and I have never seen it. But it lives close by and you can you know, it's so throaty and gravelly and like that's definitely not a crow. But I haven't seen him or her yet. Maybe Maybe one of these days he'll make an appearance. I don't know. But they're they're a little more solitary than crows. So it's probably not a whole lot of them out there. So I think it's I think it may be just one or two. But anyway, talk about tangents.

Liza Dimitri 54:50

That's Episode Four. I think we're at

John Moore 54:52

Yeah, we're gonna do birds and food and all kinds of stuff. And in you know in the demonic world, birds are frequently messengers. We look at them as, for me, crows are big omens they show up. Usually, usually if I'm saying something, it's like an or doing something, it's like an acknowledgment. Like, yeah, you should be doing this or talking about this, or, you know, they'll show up very frequently in certain numbers when you know, I'm, I'm about to go do something I remember going, you know, during my apprenticeship, in shamanism, every time I was going to go meet with my teacher, I would, there would be two of them, like just hanging out on the side of the road on the on the way every single time and I was like, Okay, I got it. I got it. I understand. I get it. Suppose crows are very cool. And they're smart. They're smart as heck. They are very smart. Yes. Um, love crows. Some people don't like crows, but I don't get that.

Liza Dimitri 55:51

Well, you know, they're picking around in garbage. So it's easy to you know,

John Moore 55:56

well, they do. I mean, they will eat they will eat crops too, and they'll be really smart about it. So some people don't. I'm not a farmer. I do live I live next door to a farm but I not a farmer. So yeah, I don't have to worry so much about them eating my crops, but you can feed them. They like dog food like kibble you can feed them Oh, really?

Liza Dimitri 56:14

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz they're nasty. What you've had a look at their meat

John Moore 56:17

eaters, they, they'll eat carrion. They'll eat seed, for sure. But they'll eat. They'll eat anything. There are kind of omnivores. haven't gone out. Like you can feed them like hamburger and stuff. But I have a thing about putting out raw meat. So

Liza Dimitri 56:31

yeah, that's probably not a good. Yes.

John Moore 56:33

Yeah. There are bears around here. So

Liza Dimitri 56:36

I know where you live. And I will say, I know pudding. I know where you live.

John Moore 56:44

This podcast if we don't agree.

Liza Dimitri 56:46

I don't agree with that i would not put out probably that's probably not

John Moore 56:50

wise. raw meat. Yeah, we would get all kinds of wildlife here. If I did. I mean, bears bears will go after bird feeders too. But not, you know, you know, only if they stumble upon them. They can't smell them some miles away. We're putting out raw meats, inviting. We have coyotes. We have all kinds of stuff here. It's cool. It's cool. I love that. I love that aspect of where I live that there's so much wildlife here. And there's a wildlife park about about a mile up the road from here that I'm sure

Liza Dimitri 57:18

you know, the people that run it. Oh, cool.

John Moore 57:21

Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. They rescue all kinds of wildlife. And you can go see moose and bear and deer is really cool. All kinds of stuff.

Liza Dimitri 57:29

porcupine. Actually, it's funny that you say that. And so I'm going to take it as a sign since you brought that up to tell the story or maybe you want to tell me to be quiet. But they have ravens there. Yes. And so you're talking about how their intelligence and stuff and, and my friend Joelle was telling me that, you know, of course they be the animals on schedule. And I think the the raven learned about the weekends or something like that I'm trying to remember exactly. But anyway, the point of the story is that he would hide food to save for later like, he wouldn't eat all of it. And they and they found that he was like, just keeping it in another place. So he would have more fun later and stuff like that. I was just like, Whoa,

John Moore 58:09

yeah, yeah, they're pretty cool. They're so smart. They've you know, yeah, I could go off on on corvids and how how flippin intelligent they are. And they've shown they've shown behaviors that are we only thought that primates were capable of. So there's a lot of research with research with birds. parrots are another one that are that are just as smart and but corvids like crows and ravens and crows. Crows actually do social learning, which is incredible, if you think about that. So they actually, you know, they'll gather to, you know, witness something, and they'll remember human faces. So if you cross a crow, man, I'm telling you, they will remember they will remember you notice, but if you treat them well, they'll also remember you So okay, you can get it get into good relationship with crows in nature and stuff. So where, you know, we've been talking for like an hour.

Liza Dimitri 59:09

I know. I feel like we could still do more time. But

John Moore 59:12

yeah, we'll do we'll have to do some more. Yeah, well, we'll have to do some more. But I, you know, I do. I appreciate that we've gone off on lots of different tangents clearly we have lots lots to talk about. But, you know, we you know, just to bring it back about the practice of gratitude and positivity and spirituality and maybe wrap it up in a little little bow or something. I don't think you know, when you and I are, you know, I you identify as Catholic, I believe and I identify as a shamanic practitioner and stuff like that. But, you know, ultimately this, you know, the practice it doesn't matter, right because right practice, this practice of gratitude of, you know, of this positive, positive What are we calling it? I don't know. Yeah, yeah, about that. So well, we can

Liza Dimitri 1:00:03

work on it. But yeah,

John Moore 1:00:04

we'll work on the brand. Yeah. But it's, um, this transcends that this transcends any sort of differences that people might have. Because this is just a human thing. Right, this is a thing that we know, we even know. And this is an area that you know, and I always talk about, I like the intersection of sort of science and spirituality, right, where we have research around this, we have research that shows this as effective that this is, this is a practice that works. It can be part of your, it can be part of your daily meditation, or just whatever, or part of your, you know, and there are a lot of spiritual systems or religions where gratitude is part of your prayer practice, right? So this can be this can be a big part of it. And I would say that it's not thinking grad thinking thoughts of gratitude are, you know, is definitely a good thing. But expressions of gratitude, whether they're in a diary, or to another human being seemed to be an important part of that, like getting it out of you getting the gratitude out of you. And into the world, even if it's just a diary that nobody else reads. There's something about that, maybe there's some great research that I can turn up on that. Sure, sure. I will talk about it at some point in the future, but it's we've we've been talking for an hour I do need to wrap up is so I know uh, you know, I know you didn't come on here to like plug anything. But do you want to talk about your your business or plug your website at all? if people are interested?

Liza Dimitri 1:01:45

Oh, gosh, you know what? You say that I am small on purpose. And I'm scared to even say that. Oh, yeah, I think I'm gonna get orders from all over the place from Nepal. I

John Moore 1:01:56

don't know.

Liza Dimitri 1:01:57

I mean, so here I mean, international, because, because I well know I've shipped to Hawaii and Alaska, but that's about Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so three spicy boys. The number three is a barbecue sauce that, you know, it grew from my love of cooking. And my mom said last night, you need to do something with it. And so it's our fault. That's my, my speech. I have eight flavors. And I just I just love to cook and I don't know.

John Moore 1:02:26

Yeah, and I know. So yeah, you do a lot of and I and I, I bought some I bought some from you to send down to my mom at Christmas time this year. And you know, I know you ship out and stuff. And then there's some local local places here. You know, if you ever traveled to Maine, and you go to

Liza Dimitri 1:02:45

evidence stores, there's a couple and Scarborough in Portland and Poland. And gray I think has to maybe look around. Yeah, and, and Auburn, loosen restaurants and stuff. So

John Moore 1:02:58

cool. Oh, yeah. And so you're in restaurants as well. Right. So

Liza Dimitri 1:03:01

yeah, so yeah, the Kibo is the library cafe. Oh, yeah. So they have it on pizza there. And great ingredients has a mainly Maple chicken sandwich. Which I think is our number one selling sandwich. Not to brag or anything, but Whoa.

John Moore 1:03:18

Yeah. I mean, actually, actually, I gotta say. So here's a little secret.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:22

I'm going to tell you. Okay. Get close. I

John Moore 1:03:25

think I think I bought three jars of sauce from you for Christmas to send to my mom. And I think only two of them got sent to my mom and one of them. The mainly Maple stayed here with me. Uh huh. So I'm gonna have to try it on the

Unknown Speaker 1:03:42

like, Oh,

John Moore 1:03:42

it's amazing. Absolutely amazing. Yeah, yeah, but I haven't tried to let chicken sandwich yet but I'm gonna go I might have to go. I might have to go to gritties and give that a shot. But I understand why that's their their best. Sandwich sauces, sauces, King. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's exciting. I mean, yeah, I know. Okay, so I know, you're interesting, staying small, but I was want to give people a chance. If they've gotten I appreciate

Liza Dimitri 1:04:07

it. It's okay. Because I, you know, I people don't need to go to Whole Foods or you know, Halfords, and I'm like, What if they say, yes,

John Moore 1:04:16

right, then you have to ramp up production? Yeah, I've known I've known people who had, like, a, like a small business, and then they got on QVC. Right. And, and they could not keep up with, like, QVC was like, we need, we need you to make up, you know, 100,000 of these things, right. They were selling and they were like, No, we can't. Okay, then we're done. You know, then we're done with you. So I get I get it a little bit. I understand. Yeah, I understand. But that's not you know, I'm sure you'd figure it out. If you had to

Liza Dimitri 1:04:55

figure it out. I was still trying to decide whether I want to go back to teaching this fall. So maybe I'll Yeah,

John Moore 1:05:01

yeah, if you ever need me to come over and stir the pot, I'm a good taste tester.

Liza Dimitri 1:05:07

In case I can't Yeah,

John Moore 1:05:08

I will sample I'm like, yeah, yeah. Okay, this one's good.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:12

Yep. Yeah,

John Moore 1:05:14

totally. Totally. Alright. Awesome. Well, it has been fantastic talking to you. I really I am grateful for you taking time out of your I'm sure extremely busy day today. And, and, and chatting with me. I wish you the best of luck and I hope that you'll come on again. We'll chat. Lower styling. Absolutely

Liza Dimitri 1:05:36

love.

John Moore 1:05:37

We can chat. We can chat about love languages in the spiritual nature of food. Sure how cooking for people can be a real

Liza Dimitri 1:05:46

Oh, absolutely. I'm, it's I made dinner for our family. I mean, now that sounds like I'm bragging. not bragging, but I'm just giving an example. So I made food for somebody last week and making some soup for somebody else tomorrow. Wow.

John Moore 1:06:00

There you go. There you go. Yeah. Cool. All right. Well, with that I'm gonna wrap up and you'll hear my you'll hear my outro next

Liza Dimitri 1:06:11

that's gonna say thank you, john. It was it's been so much fun. I really appreciate it but but a big smile on my face for most of this hour. Excellent. Excellent.

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